| Jsortor | 05-09-2005 02:58 PM |
Why does everyone leave?
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Lets get some comments on why so many have left STX. The class is like a bad business in that it has like a 75% turn-over rate each year.... I really enjoy running in the class, love the Pro money, and don't really want to move to a class where I will spend more money and get less (if any) in return even for doing well. I am discouraged by the fact that turn-outs are so low in the West. I wish every event was like last years finale and championship, but I guess that is the allure, the fact you can't get that at every other event. Basically, I feel that I am in between Fame and Fortune...... For those who have left STX, why did you do it? Nothing left to prove? Bored? Just wanted a change? Any comments?
| KC | 05-09-2005 03:07 PM |
Because ST is a feeder system into other classes. :D
What put the nail in my coffin at least was while watching ESP run the north course at nationals in my Tahoe with the windows down, I could hear the two guys next over talking about the 'cheaters' in STX... ie: WRXs. How they can up the boost and no one would know and they hated that fact and thinks all the WRX drivers are cheaters.
I heard almost the same sentiment at 2003 nats.
It got to me. I didn't say anything, it was their own private conversation, but I was one of the few that never had a re-programmed ECU. IMHO, it dimishes the win if there are others out there, those both that are and aren't even running in the class, who don't look at all cars/drivers as the same level... those that win must be cheaters.
No respect is what it comes down to, and, IMHO, there'll be pretty much none given until the rules could be solidified and boost 'fears' from competitors and non competitors can be delt with.
Oh and 2 other reasons...
1) Civics are f4st4r and
2) RWD is F4st4r.
--KC
What put the nail in my coffin at least was while watching ESP run the north course at nationals in my Tahoe with the windows down, I could hear the two guys next over talking about the 'cheaters' in STX... ie: WRXs. How they can up the boost and no one would know and they hated that fact and thinks all the WRX drivers are cheaters.
I heard almost the same sentiment at 2003 nats.
It got to me. I didn't say anything, it was their own private conversation, but I was one of the few that never had a re-programmed ECU. IMHO, it dimishes the win if there are others out there, those both that are and aren't even running in the class, who don't look at all cars/drivers as the same level... those that win must be cheaters.
No respect is what it comes down to, and, IMHO, there'll be pretty much none given until the rules could be solidified and boost 'fears' from competitors and non competitors can be delt with.
Oh and 2 other reasons...
1) Civics are f4st4r and
2) RWD is F4st4r.
--KC
| Jsortor | 05-09-2005 03:13 PM |
KC,
It really sucks that it was something like that, that discouraged you. There is nothing worse than hearing someone basically talking behind your back. Because you know that is genuinely what they think, and that hurts. Since we are in such a "grassroots" motorsport, the chances of the SCCA being able to ever have the equiptment or training to properly police electronics is pretty slim too.... Sucks...
It really sucks that it was something like that, that discouraged you. There is nothing worse than hearing someone basically talking behind your back. Because you know that is genuinely what they think, and that hurts. Since we are in such a "grassroots" motorsport, the chances of the SCCA being able to ever have the equiptment or training to properly police electronics is pretty slim too.... Sucks...
| PaulC | 05-09-2005 03:18 PM |
I know my point of view doesn't really apply here as I don't own a WRX, but it was a combination of two things: my car is hopelessly uncompetitive, my friend offered a co-drive in a ESP STi. Race tires baby!
| trhoppe | 05-09-2005 03:18 PM |
I know a couple of the people that left were because of personal and/or health reasons. (Mike K for example with his back).
I left as I wanted to move onto an STi, but because of unfortunate events, I'm back in my old car for a few events this year :)
-Tom
I left as I wanted to move onto an STi, but because of unfortunate events, I'm back in my old car for a few events this year :)
-Tom
| TyrannoSullyRex | 05-09-2005 03:24 PM |
My WRX is my daily driver and the suspension was effin killing me. And as KC said RWD is F4st4r (autocrossing a DSP BMW now).
| Jsortor | 05-09-2005 03:29 PM |
[QUOTE=TyrannoSullyRex]My WRX is my daily driver and the suspension was effin killing me. And as KC said RWD is F4st4r (autocrossing a DSP BMW now).[/QUOTE]
Definitely a good choice this year. There are 3 great DSP Bimmers over here with co-drivers, so the championship should be spectacular!
My car is still a DD, but I know what you mean sometimes it gets tiring....
Definitely a good choice this year. There are 3 great DSP Bimmers over here with co-drivers, so the championship should be spectacular!
My car is still a DD, but I know what you mean sometimes it gets tiring....
| Jsortor | 05-09-2005 03:31 PM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]I know a couple of the people that left were because of personal and/or health reasons. (Mike K for example with his back).
I left as I wanted to move onto an STi, but because of unfortunate events, I'm back in my old car for a few events this year :)
-Tom[/QUOTE]
What about Courtney, why did he move?
I left as I wanted to move onto an STi, but because of unfortunate events, I'm back in my old car for a few events this year :)
-Tom[/QUOTE]
What about Courtney, why did he move?
| KC | 05-09-2005 03:36 PM |
[QUOTE=Jsortor]What about Courtney, why did he move?[/QUOTE]
A quote from Courtney at the Atlanta Pro...
"Crap, now I go and get a Subaru and all you guys leave!"
He's got an STi now in ESP. ;)
A quote from Courtney at the Atlanta Pro...
"Crap, now I go and get a Subaru and all you guys leave!"
He's got an STi now in ESP. ;)
| Dussander | 05-09-2005 03:36 PM |
I switched to F125 because:
faster
cheaper (well, in theory)
track 25 minutes away and I can use it anytime for $200 a year
rules are way easier to follow and don't change as often
AutoXing your daily driver can be a pain
working on a kart is SO much easier
faster
cheaper (well, in theory)
track 25 minutes away and I can use it anytime for $200 a year
rules are way easier to follow and don't change as often
AutoXing your daily driver can be a pain
working on a kart is SO much easier
| CamaroFS34 | 05-09-2005 03:37 PM |
[QUOTE=Jsortor]What about Courtney, why did he move?[/QUOTE]
I'm guessing he had a better offer (Rod McGeorge's STi that Mike Johnson is campaigning). Additionally, I'm not sure Richard West appreciated being beaten in his own car so much. ;)
Karen
I'm guessing he had a better offer (Rod McGeorge's STi that Mike Johnson is campaigning). Additionally, I'm not sure Richard West appreciated being beaten in his own car so much. ;)
Karen
| KC | 05-09-2005 03:45 PM |
Well then there's the given and most obvious answer...
We're all askeerd of teh S0r70r!
We're all askeerd of teh S0r70r!
| Dussander | 05-09-2005 03:46 PM |
Downside of F125:
You can not be too heavy of driver
The ride can be brutal, but I haven't had much of an issue.
The setup is very different from a car
You rebuild parts of the engine every 3-10 hours (built-stock)
Many people hate karts
You can not be too heavy of driver
The ride can be brutal, but I haven't had much of an issue.
The setup is very different from a car
You rebuild parts of the engine every 3-10 hours (built-stock)
Many people hate karts
| Jsortor | 05-09-2005 03:48 PM |
[QUOTE=KC]A quote from Courtney at the Atlanta Pro...
"Crap, now I go and get a Subaru and all you guys leave!"
He's got an STi now in ESP. ;)[/QUOTE]
I think he has it out to spend his life trying to beat you now. :lol: :lol: J/K
"Crap, now I go and get a Subaru and all you guys leave!"
He's got an STi now in ESP. ;)[/QUOTE]
I think he has it out to spend his life trying to beat you now. :lol: :lol: J/K
| Jsortor | 05-09-2005 03:50 PM |
[QUOTE=Dussander]I switched to F125 because:
faster
cheaper (well, in theory)
track 25 minutes away and I can use it anytime for $200 a year
rules are way easier to follow and don't change as often
AutoXing your daily driver can be a pain
working on a kart is SO much easier[/QUOTE]
I was thinking of supplimenting my yearly dose of AX with a TAG kart. I have a track 3mi. away as well and fields of 15-20 in the class. Still thinking about it though...
faster
cheaper (well, in theory)
track 25 minutes away and I can use it anytime for $200 a year
rules are way easier to follow and don't change as often
AutoXing your daily driver can be a pain
working on a kart is SO much easier[/QUOTE]
I was thinking of supplimenting my yearly dose of AX with a TAG kart. I have a track 3mi. away as well and fields of 15-20 in the class. Still thinking about it though...
| KC | 05-09-2005 03:50 PM |
? He beat me last year. He lost to Tom last year tho. ;)
--kC
--kC
| Jsortor | 05-09-2005 03:51 PM |
[QUOTE=KC]Well then there's the given and most obvious answer...
We're all askeerd of teh S0r70r![/QUOTE]
I was thinking last night on the drive home, "maybe I should prep my car some more?..."
We're all askeerd of teh S0r70r![/QUOTE]
I was thinking last night on the drive home, "maybe I should prep my car some more?..."
| zzyzx | 05-09-2005 03:55 PM |
KC, you didn't really jump ship due to peer pressure, did you?
I hope that wasn't my discussion you were referring to... I mean we all know cars with boost have teh ch3atARs behinds the wheels! ;) :lol:
Locally, I still get to beat down all the DSP bimmers and put 'em in their place, but unfortunately the reverse happens at Nats. Now, if only I would switch that pattern... :lol:
I hope that wasn't my discussion you were referring to... I mean we all know cars with boost have teh ch3atARs behinds the wheels! ;) :lol:
Locally, I still get to beat down all the DSP bimmers and put 'em in their place, but unfortunately the reverse happens at Nats. Now, if only I would switch that pattern... :lol:
| Jsortor | 05-09-2005 03:55 PM |
A local guy (Brian Peters) has an up-and-comming CSP miata. I have thought about possibly propositioning him into letting me run with him at some tours and Pro's splitting my events next year between STX and CSP just for a change. Guess it is still too early in the year to be thinking about next year...sorta
| Jsortor | 05-09-2005 03:57 PM |
[QUOTE=KC]? He beat me last year. He lost to Tom last year tho. ;)
--kC[/QUOTE]
yea I meant Tom...
--kC[/QUOTE]
yea I meant Tom...
| jcroy66 | 05-09-2005 03:57 PM |
[QUOTE=KC]A quote from Courtney at the Atlanta Pro...
"Crap, now I go and get a Subaru and all you guys leave!"
He's got an STi now in ESP. ;)[/QUOTE]
Yeah, he said pretty much the same thing to me: "Well, one of the main reasons I switched to ESP was because Tom was supposed to be in the class, but well...."
Courtney's an awesome guy. One of those people that I actually feel a better person to have made his acquaintance. :)
"Crap, now I go and get a Subaru and all you guys leave!"
He's got an STi now in ESP. ;)[/QUOTE]
Yeah, he said pretty much the same thing to me: "Well, one of the main reasons I switched to ESP was because Tom was supposed to be in the class, but well...."
Courtney's an awesome guy. One of those people that I actually feel a better person to have made his acquaintance. :)
| trhoppe | 05-09-2005 04:01 PM |
I was definetly looking forward to competing with Courtney this year.
Watch out though, because even though he in ESP at the Pros, he will be piloting the Cooper S at Tours and Nationals in STX ;)
-Tom
Watch out though, because even though he in ESP at the Pros, he will be piloting the Cooper S at Tours and Nationals in STX ;)
-Tom
| Jsortor | 05-09-2005 04:08 PM |
[QUOTE=trhoppe]I was definetly looking forward to competing with Courtney this year.
Watch out though, because even though he in ESP at the Pros, he will be piloting the Cooper S at Tours and Nationals in STX ;)
-Tom[/QUOTE]
Good to know... Man, I am almost going to feel bad giving him his 3rd straight 2nd place finish. :D :D
Seriously though, I am suprised no-one else has done up a CooperS as it has definitely shown to have the capability to win.
Watch out though, because even though he in ESP at the Pros, he will be piloting the Cooper S at Tours and Nationals in STX ;)
-Tom[/QUOTE]
Good to know... Man, I am almost going to feel bad giving him his 3rd straight 2nd place finish. :D :D
Seriously though, I am suprised no-one else has done up a CooperS as it has definitely shown to have the capability to win.
| TyrannoSullyRex | 05-09-2005 04:21 PM |
[QUOTE=Jsortor]Definitely a good choice this year. There are 3 great DSP Bimmers over here with co-drivers, so the championship should be spectacular!
My car is still a DD, but I know what you mean sometimes it gets tiring....[/QUOTE]
My co-driver was actually beating Teucci after day one here in Houston at the Tour, the car is competitve, but the co-driver and I need to get more consistent.
The stiff springs and damping were extremely tiring, I had just a 5 mile drive to work, and it still sucked. I moved and now have a 15 mile drive and it got worse, that was the clincher.
My car is still a DD, but I know what you mean sometimes it gets tiring....[/QUOTE]
My co-driver was actually beating Teucci after day one here in Houston at the Tour, the car is competitve, but the co-driver and I need to get more consistent.
The stiff springs and damping were extremely tiring, I had just a 5 mile drive to work, and it still sucked. I moved and now have a 15 mile drive and it got worse, that was the clincher.
| trhoppe | 05-09-2005 04:29 PM |
[QUOTE=Jsortor]Good to know... Man, I am almost going to feel bad giving him his 3rd straight 2nd place finish. :D :D
Seriously though, I am suprised no-one else has done up a CooperS as it has definitely shown to have the capability to win.[/QUOTE]
I think more then anything Courtney has shown he has the driving ability to win ;) I think it takes one HELLUVA driver to be competitive with that car.
-Tom
Seriously though, I am suprised no-one else has done up a CooperS as it has definitely shown to have the capability to win.[/QUOTE]
I think more then anything Courtney has shown he has the driving ability to win ;) I think it takes one HELLUVA driver to be competitive with that car.
-Tom
| PhilC | 05-09-2005 04:39 PM |
We're still in the class. And hoping to be more competitive this year instead of holding down the middle of the pack. I really like STX and intend to stay in it for a while yet. At least partially because one of our locals who is now in charge of both local clubs insists on telling everyone that "ST classes are for people who want to spend money and not go fast" and I love being able to show that with a tire budget massively less than it would take to keep a Z06 in V710s that we still go plenty fast.
| 10th Warrior | 05-09-2005 04:45 PM |
not as fast as a Z06 :p
| PhilC | 05-09-2005 04:47 PM |
PAXes just as fast...and I spend 1/8th as much on tires for a season as I would if I were in the Z06.
| Orion | 05-09-2005 04:50 PM |
politics of the STAC, SEB, and whatever other groups involved in the stupid decisions that have been made since the onset of the classes.
Tom's a darn good driver, but when a car is found to be illegal and no penalty is applied, i have to question the validity of the class as a whole.
Finally, when do the allowances stop???? This was supposed to be a minor step into the realm of modding cars, but it's simply SP with tire rules.
Oh yeah, saving $200 a month by ditching a car i put only 800mi a year on seemed like a pretty good idea. Strapping the little kiddo in the back was ok for short distances, but visiting family with >8k spring rates wasn't pleasant...:lol:
Tom's a darn good driver, but when a car is found to be illegal and no penalty is applied, i have to question the validity of the class as a whole.
Finally, when do the allowances stop???? This was supposed to be a minor step into the realm of modding cars, but it's simply SP with tire rules.
Oh yeah, saving $200 a month by ditching a car i put only 800mi a year on seemed like a pretty good idea. Strapping the little kiddo in the back was ok for short distances, but visiting family with >8k spring rates wasn't pleasant...:lol:
| Jsortor | 05-09-2005 05:02 PM |
I think the allowances have stopped now. For most people, buying a car for STX and having it not be their daily driver is not often financially viable so I see the tough spot.
My springs are now at 450/550 and I think the ride is not so bad? Of course, I think roads in OH are a bit rougher than roads in AZ.....
My springs are now at 450/550 and I think the ride is not so bad? Of course, I think roads in OH are a bit rougher than roads in AZ.....
| jcroy66 | 05-09-2005 05:12 PM |
[QUOTE=Orion]Finally, when do the allowances stop???? This was supposed to be a minor step into the realm of modding cars, but it's simply SP with tire rules.[/QUOTE]
I disagree. There are major differences IMO between ST and SP setup. Things like update/backdate seemed from the outside (since UD/BD were disallowed before we joined the ST* ranks) like they only mattered if you were building a FrankenCivic. But the more I look into it, the more I realize UD/BD makes the testing/tuning part a heck of a lot more involved. "Well, the 2002 had this small part just a tiny bit better, and the 2004 had this other part, and the ..., but what if I went with this other part off an 05, how does that affect everything else..." Tire size allowances is another one - I can run ST* size tires without major modification to my daily driver. SP? Probably not.
I disagree. There are major differences IMO between ST and SP setup. Things like update/backdate seemed from the outside (since UD/BD were disallowed before we joined the ST* ranks) like they only mattered if you were building a FrankenCivic. But the more I look into it, the more I realize UD/BD makes the testing/tuning part a heck of a lot more involved. "Well, the 2002 had this small part just a tiny bit better, and the 2004 had this other part, and the ..., but what if I went with this other part off an 05, how does that affect everything else..." Tire size allowances is another one - I can run ST* size tires without major modification to my daily driver. SP? Probably not.
| jcroy66 | 05-09-2005 05:16 PM |
[QUOTE=Jsortor]My springs are now at 450/550 and I think the ride is not so bad? Of course, I think roads in OH are a bit rougher than roads in AZ.....[/QUOTE]
My car's my daily driver down Ohio roads, and I don't feel the ride is bad. I feel the ride is less rough than the OTS/non-motorsports H&Rs that I had on my 325i, actually.
Mind you, as I was telling Phil, Jason, and Billy this weekend, I've gotten pretty good at memorizing the pattern of potholes on my daily commute and plotting a "course" through various lanes and portions of lanes that avoids them. :)
My car's my daily driver down Ohio roads, and I don't feel the ride is bad. I feel the ride is less rough than the OTS/non-motorsports H&Rs that I had on my 325i, actually.
Mind you, as I was telling Phil, Jason, and Billy this weekend, I've gotten pretty good at memorizing the pattern of potholes on my daily commute and plotting a "course" through various lanes and portions of lanes that avoids them. :)
| cooleyjb | 05-09-2005 05:34 PM |
I find it depressing that at the national level many people have gone on to other classes but it seems like that has always happened. As for selling people on STX and STS around here (madison, milwaukee) it's pretty easy. The classes regularly have around 10 cars and we do pretty well in Pax too.
[url]http://www.waiautox.org/2005/WAI%202005%20Event%201_pax_.htm[/url]
We hang right in there against people like Jeff Cashmore who is always at the top of his game.
I know that at least 3 people from the Milwaukee area will be going to some of the closer national tours and Topeka. FTD, thechickencow and me.
[url]http://www.waiautox.org/2005/WAI%202005%20Event%201_pax_.htm[/url]
We hang right in there against people like Jeff Cashmore who is always at the top of his game.
I know that at least 3 people from the Milwaukee area will be going to some of the closer national tours and Topeka. FTD, thechickencow and me.
| Jsortor | 05-09-2005 05:48 PM |
[QUOTE=cooleyjb]I find it depressing that at the national level many people have gone on to other classes but it seems like that has always happened.[/QUOTE]
I was talking about this to Andy Hollis this last weekend. He mentioned the same thing. A class progresses and grows. Then finally someone, or some car comes along and stands out. At this point, competitors who feel they have no chance move out or use the situation to promote trying something else, the class gets thinner, then, the someone or some car that was dominating things move to something new allowing the whole process to begin again. You can see many classes at different points in this process, BS, ESP, FS, AS.....so on...
I was talking about this to Andy Hollis this last weekend. He mentioned the same thing. A class progresses and grows. Then finally someone, or some car comes along and stands out. At this point, competitors who feel they have no chance move out or use the situation to promote trying something else, the class gets thinner, then, the someone or some car that was dominating things move to something new allowing the whole process to begin again. You can see many classes at different points in this process, BS, ESP, FS, AS.....so on...
| Jsortor | 05-09-2005 05:51 PM |
[QUOTE=cooleyjb] As for selling people on STX and STS around here (madison, milwaukee) it's pretty easy. The classes regularly have around 10 cars and we do pretty well in Pax too.
[/QUOTE]
No wonder PAX is so ugly for ST. In your region what, like 7 of the top 10 spots are STS or STX... Sheesh... :)
[/QUOTE]
No wonder PAX is so ugly for ST. In your region what, like 7 of the top 10 spots are STS or STX... Sheesh... :)
| cooleyjb | 05-09-2005 05:54 PM |
Yeah I miss seeing a large variety of cars at events. I know in Montana where I first started auto-xing there were cars of all ages and variations. Now and probably always at the national level people want to be in the competetive car for the class. More often than not it is a car that is less than 10 years old. It makes it a little less fun to watch. However at local events those cars that are unique get the most attention. There are sometimes close to 20 WRX's at our events and they all look and sound about the same on course. However cars like teh 83 Porsche 928 that shows up get's a lot of attention due to it's rarity. Nationally it isn't competitive in class but it sure is fun locally. Sorry about the rambling I just miss seeing the junky looking Z car from the 70's beating the snot out of the latest and greatest cars.
As for STX I don't think it will be much smaller this year at nationals. Sure a few people left but all of us poor people who can't buy new cars will be there.
As for STX I don't think it will be much smaller this year at nationals. Sure a few people left but all of us poor people who can't buy new cars will be there.
| cooleyjb | 05-09-2005 05:54 PM |
[QUOTE=Jsortor]No wonder PAX is so ugly for ST. In your region what, like 7 of the top 10 spots are STS or STX... Sheesh... :)[/QUOTE]
Sorry. :D
Sorry. :D
| trhoppe | 05-09-2005 05:57 PM |
[quote]At this point, competitors who feel they have no chance move out or use the situation to promote trying something else[/quote] I'm glad that I got a chance to contribute ;) :lol:
-Tom
-Tom
| fliz | 05-09-2005 06:04 PM |
[QUOTE=Jsortor]No wonder PAX is so ugly for ST. In your region what, like 7 of the top 10 spots are STS or STX... Sheesh... :)[/QUOTE]
Well, alot of that had to do with the 40 degree temps and a 15 mile an hour wind that kept any heat from accumulating in the course or tires.
In fact, the 7th place time was achieved on a back-to-back rerun at the end of the day. And I don't know what car Jeff was running when he got that 52.6, but it definitely wasn't an Evo, and I don't think it was on street tires either.
I'm one step removed from an autox n00b, and I was 26th. And the time I posted in practice runs would have put me in top 15.
Well, alot of that had to do with the 40 degree temps and a 15 mile an hour wind that kept any heat from accumulating in the course or tires.
In fact, the 7th place time was achieved on a back-to-back rerun at the end of the day. And I don't know what car Jeff was running when he got that 52.6, but it definitely wasn't an Evo, and I don't think it was on street tires either.
I'm one step removed from an autox n00b, and I was 26th. And the time I posted in practice runs would have put me in top 15.
| cooleyjb | 05-09-2005 06:08 PM |
[QUOTE=fliz]Well, alot of that had to do with the 40 degree temps and a 15 mile an hour wind that kept any heat from accumulating in the course or tires.
In fact, the 7th place time was achieved on a back-to-back rerun at the end of the day. And I don't know what car Jeff was running when he got that 52.6, but it definitely wasn't an Evo, and I don't think it was on street tires either.
I'm one step removed from an autox n00b, and I was 26th. And the time I posted in practice runs would have put me in top 15.[/QUOTE]
Jeff's fast time was in his MR2 and with the ES Pax it put him in 4th just ahead of Jay. He tried the EVO in the AM and didn't go as fast with 4 wheels turning.
In fact, the 7th place time was achieved on a back-to-back rerun at the end of the day. And I don't know what car Jeff was running when he got that 52.6, but it definitely wasn't an Evo, and I don't think it was on street tires either.
I'm one step removed from an autox n00b, and I was 26th. And the time I posted in practice runs would have put me in top 15.[/QUOTE]
Jeff's fast time was in his MR2 and with the ES Pax it put him in 4th just ahead of Jay. He tried the EVO in the AM and didn't go as fast with 4 wheels turning.
| thechickencow | 05-09-2005 06:25 PM |
[QUOTE=Jsortor]No wonder PAX is so ugly for ST. In your region what, like 7 of the top 10 spots are STS or STX... Sheesh... :)[/QUOTE]
I'd say this was 95% temperature related as well, just to echo the other guys. I did this 4th place on my struts on full stiff with all the bounce and crap like that, they're a lot better now that I've adjusted them and got the 10k/12k springs on. I almost feel like the higher spring rates are better for daily driving, although there are a few roads I just DON'T drive on anymore with my own car.
Last year I pax'ed 5th at a combined SCCA-Chicago/SCCA Milwaukee event that was pretty much normal temperatures for here (race tires actually warm, but azenis not cooked). I feel like our region is pretty strong, and comparing myself to Cashmore, and the others that are usually near the top on PAX is a pretty good guide for me. I don't know if I'll be able to keep top 5 times all year this year but I hope to considering the car wasn't setup real well at the first event. This weekend should be a better test although I'm not sure I'll have my car aligned by then.
Jay
#32
I'd say this was 95% temperature related as well, just to echo the other guys. I did this 4th place on my struts on full stiff with all the bounce and crap like that, they're a lot better now that I've adjusted them and got the 10k/12k springs on. I almost feel like the higher spring rates are better for daily driving, although there are a few roads I just DON'T drive on anymore with my own car.
Last year I pax'ed 5th at a combined SCCA-Chicago/SCCA Milwaukee event that was pretty much normal temperatures for here (race tires actually warm, but azenis not cooked). I feel like our region is pretty strong, and comparing myself to Cashmore, and the others that are usually near the top on PAX is a pretty good guide for me. I don't know if I'll be able to keep top 5 times all year this year but I hope to considering the car wasn't setup real well at the first event. This weekend should be a better test although I'm not sure I'll have my car aligned by then.
Jay
#32
| cooleyjb | 05-09-2005 09:58 PM |
I'd also have to say that it is a factor of who are driving cars prepped closely to what others in the National scene are. The STS Civics me and Jay have reasonably close to what could be considered a national setup as well as Cashmore's MR2 and a couple of others. Sure the 40 degrees and 30 MPH helped but there was something to say about car prep.
joe
joe
| Student Driver | 05-10-2005 02:36 AM |
Well...
A. I only have an RS
B. When I trade in the RS, I will probably just get an STi (I wonder how many others have said that)
C. I saw you drive that black beast in Tucson (I wonder how many others have also said that)
;)
A. I only have an RS
B. When I trade in the RS, I will probably just get an STi (I wonder how many others have said that)
C. I saw you drive that black beast in Tucson (I wonder how many others have also said that)
;)
| TheWRX | 05-10-2005 09:03 AM |
I liked STX. For me the main reason to move on was that I found something that I think I'll enjoy even more. I always thought that I wanted a "real sportscar" someday. When I found out that the Elise was coming to the US, I decided that this was exactly the car I was looking for, and that the time was right.
There were a few other reasons why it looked like a good idea:[list][*]Especially with all the car trouble I had last year, I realized more and more that autocrossing the daily driver (and only car) was not ideal.[*]I wanted to find out what that whole RWD and R-compound stuff was all about. :)[*]I wanted to put the time (and money) into preparing a car that I plan to own for a long time. I couldn't really see that with the WRX.[*]If they ever clean up their timing mess, I want to run ProSolo's again. But not with a car that falls apart after a few moderately hard launches.[*]STX is still not a very stable class. The rules change, and are partly still unclear.[/list]Like KC, I have heard talk about competitors in STX cheating. Coming from very well known autocrossers that I respect highly, and who have no stake in the class. For me it didn't really contribute to my decision. But it's very unfortunate that STX has gained that reputation.
It has been a pleasure running STX. I have met a bunch of great people over the last two years, both driving Subarus (Kiko, Keith, Joel, Michael, Steve, Mike, Billy, Corey, Pat, Jeff, Tim, etc.), other cars (Courtney, Brian M, etc.), or never driving the same car twice (Karen ;) ). I hope to still see all of you around.
Reto
There were a few other reasons why it looked like a good idea:[list][*]Especially with all the car trouble I had last year, I realized more and more that autocrossing the daily driver (and only car) was not ideal.[*]I wanted to find out what that whole RWD and R-compound stuff was all about. :)[*]I wanted to put the time (and money) into preparing a car that I plan to own for a long time. I couldn't really see that with the WRX.[*]If they ever clean up their timing mess, I want to run ProSolo's again. But not with a car that falls apart after a few moderately hard launches.[*]STX is still not a very stable class. The rules change, and are partly still unclear.[/list]Like KC, I have heard talk about competitors in STX cheating. Coming from very well known autocrossers that I respect highly, and who have no stake in the class. For me it didn't really contribute to my decision. But it's very unfortunate that STX has gained that reputation.
It has been a pleasure running STX. I have met a bunch of great people over the last two years, both driving Subarus (Kiko, Keith, Joel, Michael, Steve, Mike, Billy, Corey, Pat, Jeff, Tim, etc.), other cars (Courtney, Brian M, etc.), or never driving the same car twice (Karen ;) ). I hope to still see all of you around.
Reto
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