| yukonm | 09-23-2003 10:24 PM |
Will the STI stay in A-stock?
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I'm wondering if the STI is likely to stay in AS.
Last weekend, I did some very messy fun-runs that were way faster than they should have been (about 10th/200 in both PAX and OS, despite using street tires)
[url]http://www.sfrscca.org/solo2/Results/2003/Slush/round1.html[/url]
What are the chances the sti will get bumped up to SS?
Last weekend, I did some very messy fun-runs that were way faster than they should have been (about 10th/200 in both PAX and OS, despite using street tires)
[url]http://www.sfrscca.org/solo2/Results/2003/Slush/round1.html[/url]
What are the chances the sti will get bumped up to SS?
| trhoppe | 09-24-2003 12:52 AM |
The STi will barely be a good AS car, much less a SS car. Don't worry about it going anywhere :)
| GSXR | 09-24-2003 02:27 AM |
yukonm,
Good times! I saw the results posted. Looks like you would've taken first in AS if you ran in class. Don't forget that at Golden Gate Fields, street tires are not so bad. You'll often see at GGF events, the STS guys PAXing very high.
Mark
Good times! I saw the results posted. Looks like you would've taken first in AS if you ran in class. Don't forget that at Golden Gate Fields, street tires are not so bad. You'll often see at GGF events, the STS guys PAXing very high.
Mark
| KC | 09-24-2003 07:39 AM |
[Shakes 8-Ball] [I] My sources say yes.[/I]
Magic 8-ball never lies. :D
Magic 8-ball never lies. :D
| ShagnRS | 09-24-2003 10:00 AM |
After seeing the results from the Solo2 Nationals in Topeka, I think we are pretty safe as being left in AS. Now once we all work out the STi setup, and it gets faster, that may change. My bets are that it stays in AS through next year.
Any word on letting the STi run in Street Prepared?
Any word on letting the STi run in Street Prepared?
| trhoppe | 09-24-2003 10:08 AM |
My opinion? Sti will go into ESP with the EVO, as soon as people win a few events in them next year they will both be kicked to BSP, which is the way it should be.....
-Tom
-Tom
| KC | 09-24-2003 10:08 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by ShagnRS [/i]
[B]After seeing the results from the Solo2 Nationals in Topeka, I think we are pretty safe as being left in AS. Now once we all work out the STi setup, and it gets faster, that may change. My bets are that it stays in AS through next year.
Any word on letting the STi run in Street Prepared? [/B][/QUOTE]
[Shakes 8-Ball] Ask again.
[Shakes 8-Ball] Ask again.
[Shakes 8-Ball] Ask again.
[Shakes 8-Ball] Ask again.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!
[Shakes 8-Ball] Not likely.
--kC
(Will be in upcoming FasTrack for ESP, but currently legal for FSP)
[B]After seeing the results from the Solo2 Nationals in Topeka, I think we are pretty safe as being left in AS. Now once we all work out the STi setup, and it gets faster, that may change. My bets are that it stays in AS through next year.
Any word on letting the STi run in Street Prepared? [/B][/QUOTE]
[Shakes 8-Ball] Ask again.
[Shakes 8-Ball] Ask again.
[Shakes 8-Ball] Ask again.
[Shakes 8-Ball] Ask again.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!!!!!
[Shakes 8-Ball] Not likely.
--kC
(Will be in upcoming FasTrack for ESP, but currently legal for FSP)
| ShagnRS | 09-24-2003 10:12 AM |
I wonder if they'll adjust the pax'ing for ESP. As it stands now, AS has a higher pax than ESP. Run your stocker in ESP, and get a better pax index!
I agree with the BSP being the eventual target.
OH ...Forgot! KC Congrats!
I agree with the BSP being the eventual target.
OH ...Forgot! KC Congrats!
| TheWRX | 09-24-2003 10:51 AM |
Yes, if the STi goes to ESP, it would be pointless to run it in AS. Then again, there are other examples of cars that can go to higher prepration levels, and end up in a slower class (M3 from ASP/BSP to SM).
I think Tom is right, if it's ESP, that party won't last long. I got a chance to drive a bone stock STi on Sunday, and that car is much more than I expected. Add some big sticky tires, a stiffer/lower suspension, 70+ HP, and it will be flying.
I think Tom is right, if it's ESP, that party won't last long. I got a chance to drive a bone stock STi on Sunday, and that car is much more than I expected. Add some big sticky tires, a stiffer/lower suspension, 70+ HP, and it will be flying.
| jbrennen | 09-24-2003 01:26 PM |
The STi & Evo should stay in A Stock. They haven't done anything at any serious competitive level to justify a move to SS. But they've done too well to justify being bumped to a lower Stock class.
As far as the idea of being pointless to run an ESP-eligible car in AS, I disagree. It depends on who else is running AS or ESP. In my local events, we've got two guys in ESP who are pretty good, while AS has no such local hotshots. In my Evo, I'm much more likely to win locally in AS than in ESP. But against national-caliber competition, I'd probably prefer my chances in ESP rather than going against the top guys in AS.
Both the STi & Evo are eligible to run Street Mod, which might be a much better fit for the cars than BSP.
As far as the idea of being pointless to run an ESP-eligible car in AS, I disagree. It depends on who else is running AS or ESP. In my local events, we've got two guys in ESP who are pretty good, while AS has no such local hotshots. In my Evo, I'm much more likely to win locally in AS than in ESP. But against national-caliber competition, I'd probably prefer my chances in ESP rather than going against the top guys in AS.
Both the STi & Evo are eligible to run Street Mod, which might be a much better fit for the cars than BSP.
| yukonm | 09-24-2003 01:33 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by GSXR [/i]
[B]yukonm,
Good times! I saw the results posted. Looks like you would've taken first in AS if you ran in class. Don't forget that at Golden Gate Fields, street tires are not so bad. You'll often see at GGF events, the STS guys PAXing very high.
Mark [/B][/QUOTE]
Good point about street tires at GGF - and the Sti seems to have decent street tires. Another thing is that the STi is probably at its best on low grip surfaces like GGF.
Anyhow, Ben Martinez was still faster in his 74 capri ;)
[B]yukonm,
Good times! I saw the results posted. Looks like you would've taken first in AS if you ran in class. Don't forget that at Golden Gate Fields, street tires are not so bad. You'll often see at GGF events, the STS guys PAXing very high.
Mark [/B][/QUOTE]
Good point about street tires at GGF - and the Sti seems to have decent street tires. Another thing is that the STi is probably at its best on low grip surfaces like GGF.
Anyhow, Ben Martinez was still faster in his 74 capri ;)
| jbrennen | 09-24-2003 01:36 PM |
With regard to ESP for the STi & Evo, this past weekend I had one of the top local ESP drivers instructing me in my Evo at the local autoX school, and he seemed really impressed by the car. Even running on the stock Yokohama tires, he seemed a bit taken aback by the car's capabilities (in a good way), and he expressed interest in driving my car at a local event.
I had my Hoosiers with me but ended up not using them; I can only imagine how much more impressed he would have been running on those...
I had my Hoosiers with me but ended up not using them; I can only imagine how much more impressed he would have been running on those...
| WRX_Mundi | 09-25-2003 06:20 AM |
I've noticed my PAX results are much better with the stock STi than they ever were with my stock Miata (the latter on Falken Azenis, the STi on the stock RE070s). The last event we had, I ran both and ended up 20th in the Miata and 9th in the STi, even though the STi drive was very sloppy. Now I know sticky tires on the Miata are worth more than 2.5s/60s -- if they're worth 2s on the Sti then it will really kick tail regionally in PAX. Why? No idea. Certainly in our regions the STS and STX classes seem to always do absurdly well in PAX. Results from nationals seem to indicate the Evo and STi aren't mis-classed. SS is way too high. BS wouldn't change much -- personally I don't think we'd win against well prepped and driven S2000s. Will PAX factors be adjusted higher for AS? Maybe.
I'm planning on running ESP since I want to do various changes to the car (seats, suspension, wide wheels, exhaust). On the other hand, I don't want to go into SM beause it is such a franken-class -- I want a car that works at least marginally as a daily driver, and a lot of the SM cars I see are not suitable for that. Also, many SM cars are built and run by car shops -- I don't have the resources or the desire to rip apart my car like they do. Also looking at my local regions, I see that AS and *SP are pretty stable in terms of competition -- there are regulars. With SM I'm always surprised by who shows up in what various modded car. Oh yeah -- our local hot-shoe is in AS. :)
It is nice to run in ESP. I've run a few events in a couple regions where I have easily won the class even with a stock street-tired car. On the other hand, I ran in a different region and got spanked badly -- so much depends on who else is driving and how well their car is prepared. I see the point that the car probably fits better in BSP with the M3 and 350Z than in ESP. Unfortunately it gets to tackle Corvettes again, and it doesn't appeal to me at all. That is the big downside I see -- that I'll prep a SP car looking forward to ESP, then get moved to ASP or BSP. At that point I'd highly consider just going to SM.
I'm planning on running ESP since I want to do various changes to the car (seats, suspension, wide wheels, exhaust). On the other hand, I don't want to go into SM beause it is such a franken-class -- I want a car that works at least marginally as a daily driver, and a lot of the SM cars I see are not suitable for that. Also, many SM cars are built and run by car shops -- I don't have the resources or the desire to rip apart my car like they do. Also looking at my local regions, I see that AS and *SP are pretty stable in terms of competition -- there are regulars. With SM I'm always surprised by who shows up in what various modded car. Oh yeah -- our local hot-shoe is in AS. :)
It is nice to run in ESP. I've run a few events in a couple regions where I have easily won the class even with a stock street-tired car. On the other hand, I ran in a different region and got spanked badly -- so much depends on who else is driving and how well their car is prepared. I see the point that the car probably fits better in BSP with the M3 and 350Z than in ESP. Unfortunately it gets to tackle Corvettes again, and it doesn't appeal to me at all. That is the big downside I see -- that I'll prep a SP car looking forward to ESP, then get moved to ASP or BSP. At that point I'd highly consider just going to SM.
| arubus | 09-26-2003 01:54 AM |
Interesting...isn't the WRX an ESP car also?
They get to run with all the F-body, Camaros and Mustangs. I think. If I'm right, that doesn't make much sense to me....but what do I know, it's late and I'm a noob.
They get to run with all the F-body, Camaros and Mustangs. I think. If I'm right, that doesn't make much sense to me....but what do I know, it's late and I'm a noob.
| dwx | 09-26-2003 09:24 AM |
Yeah the WRX and the Eclipse/Talon are both in ESP along with the EVO and STI. And yes it's the american muscle car class traditionally. I think either the STI or EVO has a chance to dominate that class with a good driver and a well prepped car. The way the STI boost creeps/spikes with a catless exhaust may not be good for the road but for autox it'd be ok. :) It's just real hard with a DSM or WRX as they are down 100+ hp from the getgo.
At the last local event I attended a STI paxed 8th and 14th (running AS on Hoosiers) out of 140 some odd drivers. The guy who came in 8th I believe it was his first time ever driving the car, and most of the guys in front of him were all either national champions from this year or trophy winners (or STS guys with their weak index :)).
At the last local event I attended a STI paxed 8th and 14th (running AS on Hoosiers) out of 140 some odd drivers. The guy who came in 8th I believe it was his first time ever driving the car, and most of the guys in front of him were all either national champions from this year or trophy winners (or STS guys with their weak index :)).
| trhoppe | 09-26-2003 10:02 AM |
[QUOTE](or STS guys with their weak index ).[/QUOTE] :lol: :lol: :lol: coughahemweakpaxcoughcoughcough.........ahem
-Tom
-Tom
| ChrisW | 09-26-2003 11:06 AM |
Re: Will the STI stay in A-stock?
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by yukonm [/i]
[B]I'm wondering if the STI is likely to stay in AS.
Last weekend, I did some very messy fun-runs that were way faster than they should have been (about 10th/200 in both PAX and OS, despite using street tires)
[url]http://www.sfrscca.org/solo2/Results/2003/Slush/round1.html[/url]
What are the chances the sti will get bumped up to SS? [/B][/QUOTE]
yukonm,
come on over and run in class. You have not seen a decent AS croud yet. In the SFR region we have many competitive corvette drivers in AS who normally avoid golden gate fields like the plauge
(GGF is not friendly to big fat hoosiers :lol: )
I know that the STI will be provisioinally classed in ESP next year, as KC's 8 ball tells him :) But if you look at our times and the ESP times, there is no way the STI will stay in ESP. It will take time, as people mod the STI to ESP levels.
If we had run in ESP, you would have won, on street tires.
Next event is Oct 4th, the owner of the STI that I was driving has offered me a drive for the rest of the slush.. :banana:
that's the good part, the bad part is I have a serious case of hood scoop envy...:huh:
[B]I'm wondering if the STI is likely to stay in AS.
Last weekend, I did some very messy fun-runs that were way faster than they should have been (about 10th/200 in both PAX and OS, despite using street tires)
[url]http://www.sfrscca.org/solo2/Results/2003/Slush/round1.html[/url]
What are the chances the sti will get bumped up to SS? [/B][/QUOTE]
yukonm,
come on over and run in class. You have not seen a decent AS croud yet. In the SFR region we have many competitive corvette drivers in AS who normally avoid golden gate fields like the plauge
(GGF is not friendly to big fat hoosiers :lol: )
I know that the STI will be provisioinally classed in ESP next year, as KC's 8 ball tells him :) But if you look at our times and the ESP times, there is no way the STI will stay in ESP. It will take time, as people mod the STI to ESP levels.
If we had run in ESP, you would have won, on street tires.
Next event is Oct 4th, the owner of the STI that I was driving has offered me a drive for the rest of the slush.. :banana:
that's the good part, the bad part is I have a serious case of hood scoop envy...:huh:
| jbrennen | 09-26-2003 11:10 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by dwx [/i]
[B]At the last local event I attended a STI paxed 8th and 14th (running AS on Hoosiers) out of 140 some odd drivers. The guy who came in 8th I believe it was his first time ever driving the car, and most of the guys in front of him were all either national champions from this year or trophy winners (or STS guys with their weak index :)). [/B][/QUOTE]
Last local event I attended, an Evo on Hoosiers (my Evo :cool: ) PAXed 3rd and 11th out of some 220 drivers, using the AS PAX numbers. Using ESP PAX numbers, it would have been 2nd and 8th. The faster of the two drivers (not me ;) ) was driving the car for the first time, but was a trophy winner in STX at Nationals.
The STi drivers locally haven't mounted R compound tires yet, but they're doing very well anyway. The top local STi, while still running stock rubber, has been beating everybody (C4, Boxster S, M3) except for the Evos on R compounds.
[B]At the last local event I attended a STI paxed 8th and 14th (running AS on Hoosiers) out of 140 some odd drivers. The guy who came in 8th I believe it was his first time ever driving the car, and most of the guys in front of him were all either national champions from this year or trophy winners (or STS guys with their weak index :)). [/B][/QUOTE]
Last local event I attended, an Evo on Hoosiers (my Evo :cool: ) PAXed 3rd and 11th out of some 220 drivers, using the AS PAX numbers. Using ESP PAX numbers, it would have been 2nd and 8th. The faster of the two drivers (not me ;) ) was driving the car for the first time, but was a trophy winner in STX at Nationals.
The STi drivers locally haven't mounted R compound tires yet, but they're doing very well anyway. The top local STi, while still running stock rubber, has been beating everybody (C4, Boxster S, M3) except for the Evos on R compounds.
| trhoppe | 09-26-2003 11:21 AM |
[QUOTE]was driving the car for the first time, but was a trophy winner in STX at Nationals.[/QUOTE] But garfield's slow :lol: :lol: <ducks and runs>
He doesn't come on nabisco does he?
:)
-Tom
He doesn't come on nabisco does he?
:)
-Tom
| jbrennen | 09-26-2003 12:09 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B] But garfield's slow :lol: :lol: <ducks and runs>[/B][/QUOTE]
Only when he's trying to look good. ;)
[B] But garfield's slow :lol: :lol: <ducks and runs>[/B][/QUOTE]
Only when he's trying to look good. ;)
| KC | 09-26-2003 12:34 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by trhoppe [/i]
[B] But garfield's slow :lol: :lol: <ducks and runs>
He doesn't come on nabisco does he?
:)
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]I think he'd have fun here. :D
[B] But garfield's slow :lol: :lol: <ducks and runs>
He doesn't come on nabisco does he?
:)
-Tom [/B][/QUOTE]I think he'd have fun here. :D
| MNbiker | 09-26-2003 03:35 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC [/i]
[B]I think he'd have fun here. :D [/B][/QUOTE]
I dunno...not sure there are enough naked women here for Brian's tastes!:lol: :lol: :lol:
[B]I think he'd have fun here. :D [/B][/QUOTE]
I dunno...not sure there are enough naked women here for Brian's tastes!:lol: :lol: :lol:
| Broeli | 10-02-2003 12:02 PM |
I think they are strongly considering bumping the Evo to BSP for the '04 season and putting the Sti there as well. Especially after the 2nd place finish by the Evo at Nationals. I ran ESP with my Evo this year eventhough it was near stock and did real well. I beat cars with race rubber except for the few times a guy that was Nat. Champ entered with his T/A...he was beating me by about 2 sec. on a 60 sec course. A well prepped Evo or Sti would probably dominate ESP. I'm building my Evo for ESP, hoping they stay in ESP.
I was told they were considering a bump to SS for the Evo and Sti. That would be a terrible jump. The Evo and Sti have a tough enough time in AS. Locally, no Evo or Sti has faired well against the 'Vettes. With a good driver and prepped Evo or Sti I think BS would be a better fit running with the S2000, 350Z, etc.
I was told they were considering a bump to SS for the Evo and Sti. That would be a terrible jump. The Evo and Sti have a tough enough time in AS. Locally, no Evo or Sti has faired well against the 'Vettes. With a good driver and prepped Evo or Sti I think BS would be a better fit running with the S2000, 350Z, etc.
| trhoppe | 10-02-2003 12:09 PM |
Honestly, we are having second thoughts about running the STi in AS. It seemed like a great idea, but I don't think that car can win without major work on the shocks. I just don't have $2000 in the budget right now to work on shocks in addition to all the race tires and etc.......
We'll see what happens though..
-Tom
We'll see what happens though..
-Tom
| afpdl | 10-02-2003 03:29 PM |
What happened to just racing the sti for fun and not worring about winning?:lol:
Are there any good shock options out there right now for the sti or would you just have to get a custom valve job done?
Are there any good shock options out there right now for the sti or would you just have to get a custom valve job done?
| KC | 10-02-2003 03:35 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by afpdl [/i]
[B]What happened to just racing the sti for fun and not worring about winning?:lol:
Are there any good shock options out there right now for the sti or would you just have to get a custom valve job done? [/B][/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://astrosun.tn.cornell.edu/~akgun/Image/chicken.gif[/IMG]
[B]What happened to just racing the sti for fun and not worring about winning?:lol:
Are there any good shock options out there right now for the sti or would you just have to get a custom valve job done? [/B][/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://astrosun.tn.cornell.edu/~akgun/Image/chicken.gif[/IMG]
| ChrisW | 10-02-2003 03:42 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Broeli [/i]
[B]I think they are strongly considering bumping the Evo to BSP for the '04 season and putting the Sti there as well. Especially after the 2nd place finish by the Evo at Nationals. I ran ESP with my Evo this year eventhough it was near stock and did real well. I beat cars with race rubber except for the few times a guy that was Nat. Champ entered with his T/A...he was beating me by about 2 sec. on a 60 sec course. A well prepped Evo or Sti would probably dominate ESP. I'm building my Evo for ESP, hoping they stay in ESP.
I was told they were considering a bump to SS for the Evo and Sti. That would be a terrible jump. The Evo and Sti have a tough enough time in AS. Locally, no Evo or Sti has faired well against the 'Vettes. With a good driver and prepped Evo or Sti I think BS would be a better fit running with the S2000, 350Z, etc. [/B][/QUOTE]
I think the EVO should remain in ESP, but I can easily see the STI getting bumped because of it's larger displacement.
I think the STI will be good competition in AS when you add race rubber. So far, I have not had the opportunity to race against any Corvettes (yet) but I expect that to change as the regional slush series continues.:D
I am pretty happy with the struts on the STI right now. I don't think you really need to upgrade them, but camber/caster plates would help.
[B]I think they are strongly considering bumping the Evo to BSP for the '04 season and putting the Sti there as well. Especially after the 2nd place finish by the Evo at Nationals. I ran ESP with my Evo this year eventhough it was near stock and did real well. I beat cars with race rubber except for the few times a guy that was Nat. Champ entered with his T/A...he was beating me by about 2 sec. on a 60 sec course. A well prepped Evo or Sti would probably dominate ESP. I'm building my Evo for ESP, hoping they stay in ESP.
I was told they were considering a bump to SS for the Evo and Sti. That would be a terrible jump. The Evo and Sti have a tough enough time in AS. Locally, no Evo or Sti has faired well against the 'Vettes. With a good driver and prepped Evo or Sti I think BS would be a better fit running with the S2000, 350Z, etc. [/B][/QUOTE]
I think the EVO should remain in ESP, but I can easily see the STI getting bumped because of it's larger displacement.
I think the STI will be good competition in AS when you add race rubber. So far, I have not had the opportunity to race against any Corvettes (yet) but I expect that to change as the regional slush series continues.:D
I am pretty happy with the struts on the STI right now. I don't think you really need to upgrade them, but camber/caster plates would help.
| trhoppe | 10-02-2003 03:47 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by afpdl [/i]
[B]What happened to just racing the sti for fun and not worring about winning?:lol:
Are there any good shock options out there right now for the sti or would you just have to get a custom valve job done? [/B][/QUOTE] My goal for next year -> Develop a car that can win and that I can have fun driving! It will be no fun IMHO to drive an inferior car.
As far as options for shocks, there are none. Anything that is OTS for the WRX will be off for a 200lb heavier and heavier sprung STi and I don't think you will be able to get OTS valving for an STi from Koni any time soon. You will have to send them off to get revalved. In my case I was planning to send em off to get degassed, converted to doubles, and revalved. Much $$
-Tom
[B]What happened to just racing the sti for fun and not worring about winning?:lol:
Are there any good shock options out there right now for the sti or would you just have to get a custom valve job done? [/B][/QUOTE] My goal for next year -> Develop a car that can win and that I can have fun driving! It will be no fun IMHO to drive an inferior car.
As far as options for shocks, there are none. Anything that is OTS for the WRX will be off for a 200lb heavier and heavier sprung STi and I don't think you will be able to get OTS valving for an STi from Koni any time soon. You will have to send them off to get revalved. In my case I was planning to send em off to get degassed, converted to doubles, and revalved. Much $$
-Tom
| zoomfactor | 10-03-2003 01:17 PM |
As far as the EVO and STi remaining in ESP I think it would be a nice alternative to the F-bodies.
This is a FLAMEWORTHY topic over on the SCCA boards where there is a vocal group who don't want to see anything other than the traditional RWD V-8 dominance.
This is a FLAMEWORTHY topic over on the SCCA boards where there is a vocal group who don't want to see anything other than the traditional RWD V-8 dominance.
| Broeli | 10-04-2003 12:47 AM |
[QUOTE].I think the EVO should remain in ESP, but I can easily see the STI getting bumped because of it's larger displacement.
I think the STI will be good competition in AS when you add race rubber. So far, I have not had the opportunity to race against any Corvettes (yet) but I expect that to change as the regional slush series continues[/QUOTE]
As far as the Evo remaining in ESP but the Sti being bumped...I doubt it. The Sti and Evo are pretty equal in horsepower when built to ESP rules. We all know how well the Evo takes to mods. The Evo placed 2nd in its first year in Nat. Champ Solo II in a car that wasn't built fully to ESP specs. That itself may be what gets it bumped...F-body owners and others are petitioning to get the Evo bumped because of that.
As far as AS goes...the Evo and Sti run similar times...but once again at Nationals the lone Evo entry placed 9th while the best Sti finish was 11th or 12th. At regional events I ran pretty equal times to the Sti's..we were always within a few tenths of each other. I ran on stock rubber....as were teh Sti's. I still feel the Sti and Evo would have a fairly tough time on race rubber in AS. It will be interesting to see what happens for next year. In the meantime I'm building my Evo for ESP...and hoping I don't get bumped to a tougher class. :D
I think the STI will be good competition in AS when you add race rubber. So far, I have not had the opportunity to race against any Corvettes (yet) but I expect that to change as the regional slush series continues[/QUOTE]
As far as the Evo remaining in ESP but the Sti being bumped...I doubt it. The Sti and Evo are pretty equal in horsepower when built to ESP rules. We all know how well the Evo takes to mods. The Evo placed 2nd in its first year in Nat. Champ Solo II in a car that wasn't built fully to ESP specs. That itself may be what gets it bumped...F-body owners and others are petitioning to get the Evo bumped because of that.
As far as AS goes...the Evo and Sti run similar times...but once again at Nationals the lone Evo entry placed 9th while the best Sti finish was 11th or 12th. At regional events I ran pretty equal times to the Sti's..we were always within a few tenths of each other. I ran on stock rubber....as were teh Sti's. I still feel the Sti and Evo would have a fairly tough time on race rubber in AS. It will be interesting to see what happens for next year. In the meantime I'm building my Evo for ESP...and hoping I don't get bumped to a tougher class. :D
| nasprouse | 10-08-2003 10:11 PM |
I received this email from Doug Gill:
The Subaru WRX STi is classed in AS and will be for 2004.
There is not a specific listing for the STi version in Street Prepared, but the "regular" WRX is already listed there. So is the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 8.
The 2004 Rules should be available in January.
Hope this helps.
- Doug
Doug Gill
SCCA Solo Technical Manager
1-800-770-2055
785-232-7215 fax
[email][email�protected][/email]
[email][email�protected][/email]
The Subaru WRX STi is classed in AS and will be for 2004.
There is not a specific listing for the STi version in Street Prepared, but the "regular" WRX is already listed there. So is the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 8.
The 2004 Rules should be available in January.
Hope this helps.
- Doug
Doug Gill
SCCA Solo Technical Manager
1-800-770-2055
785-232-7215 fax
[email][email�protected][/email]
[email][email�protected][/email]
| MNbiker | 10-09-2003 12:01 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by nasprouse [/i]
[B]I received this email from Doug Gill:
The Subaru WRX STi is classed in AS and will be for 2004.
There is not a specific listing for the STi version in Street Prepared, but the "regular" WRX is already listed there. So is the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 8.
The 2004 Rules should be available in January.
Hope this helps.
- Doug
Doug Gill
SCCA Solo Technical Manager
1-800-770-2055
785-232-7215 fax
[email][email�protected][/email]
[email][email�protected][/email] [/B][/QUOTE]
I just hope they end up listing the WRX and STi on the same line in Street Prepared (there seems to be some in favor of doing this). Such a move would make for some interesting update possibilities! (and a next incarnation as an SP beast for for my Wagon :devil: )
[B]I received this email from Doug Gill:
The Subaru WRX STi is classed in AS and will be for 2004.
There is not a specific listing for the STi version in Street Prepared, but the "regular" WRX is already listed there. So is the Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution 8.
The 2004 Rules should be available in January.
Hope this helps.
- Doug
Doug Gill
SCCA Solo Technical Manager
1-800-770-2055
785-232-7215 fax
[email][email�protected][/email]
[email][email�protected][/email] [/B][/QUOTE]
I just hope they end up listing the WRX and STi on the same line in Street Prepared (there seems to be some in favor of doing this). Such a move would make for some interesting update possibilities! (and a next incarnation as an SP beast for for my Wagon :devil: )
| dwx | 10-09-2003 12:37 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Broeli [/i]
[B]
As far as the Evo remaining in ESP but the Sti being bumped...I doubt it. The Sti and Evo are pretty equal in horsepower when built to ESP rules. We all know how well the Evo takes to mods. The Evo placed 2nd in its first year in Nat. Champ Solo II in a car that wasn't built fully to ESP specs. That itself may be what gets it bumped...F-body owners and others are petitioning to get the Evo bumped because of that.
As far as AS goes...the Evo and Sti run similar times...but once again at Nationals the lone Evo entry placed 9th while the best Sti finish was 11th or 12th. At regional events I ran pretty equal times to the Sti's..we were always within a few tenths of each other. I ran on stock rubber....as were teh Sti's. I still feel the Sti and Evo would have a fairly tough time on race rubber in AS. It will be interesting to see what happens for next year. In the meantime I'm building my Evo for ESP...and hoping I don't get bumped to a tougher class. :D [/B][/QUOTE]
As for nationals, the top placing STI (a local guy) was faster than the EVO in the dry. The runs on the first day were all in the wet, and that's why the EVO and STI were that high to begin with over the Vettes. I would guess if the courses had been dry you'd see both of them mid-pack. Having raced with both competitors this year I'd have to say it was more driver than car that made up the difference. Evo driver was on 245/45/17 Hoosiers while the STI was on 225/45/17 Hoosiers. Both cars had catback exhausts on them but that was it afaik. No suspension mods. Dave (STi driver) had 1 event worth of experience with the car, the EVO driver did 10 or so events with his.
Looking at the results from the dry Dave (#49) would have been 17th and the EVO driver would have been 18th, about .4s behind. There was however a STI driver that ran well enough for 12th in the 2nd day, about 1.3s faster than the EVO. I have no idea what was done to that car.
Against the guys at the top of AS I'm not sure they'll be competitive, because the guys at the top of AS are some of the best drivers in solo2 period.
[B]
As far as the Evo remaining in ESP but the Sti being bumped...I doubt it. The Sti and Evo are pretty equal in horsepower when built to ESP rules. We all know how well the Evo takes to mods. The Evo placed 2nd in its first year in Nat. Champ Solo II in a car that wasn't built fully to ESP specs. That itself may be what gets it bumped...F-body owners and others are petitioning to get the Evo bumped because of that.
As far as AS goes...the Evo and Sti run similar times...but once again at Nationals the lone Evo entry placed 9th while the best Sti finish was 11th or 12th. At regional events I ran pretty equal times to the Sti's..we were always within a few tenths of each other. I ran on stock rubber....as were teh Sti's. I still feel the Sti and Evo would have a fairly tough time on race rubber in AS. It will be interesting to see what happens for next year. In the meantime I'm building my Evo for ESP...and hoping I don't get bumped to a tougher class. :D [/B][/QUOTE]
As for nationals, the top placing STI (a local guy) was faster than the EVO in the dry. The runs on the first day were all in the wet, and that's why the EVO and STI were that high to begin with over the Vettes. I would guess if the courses had been dry you'd see both of them mid-pack. Having raced with both competitors this year I'd have to say it was more driver than car that made up the difference. Evo driver was on 245/45/17 Hoosiers while the STI was on 225/45/17 Hoosiers. Both cars had catback exhausts on them but that was it afaik. No suspension mods. Dave (STi driver) had 1 event worth of experience with the car, the EVO driver did 10 or so events with his.
Looking at the results from the dry Dave (#49) would have been 17th and the EVO driver would have been 18th, about .4s behind. There was however a STI driver that ran well enough for 12th in the 2nd day, about 1.3s faster than the EVO. I have no idea what was done to that car.
Against the guys at the top of AS I'm not sure they'll be competitive, because the guys at the top of AS are some of the best drivers in solo2 period.
| KC | 10-09-2003 07:33 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MNbiker [/i]
[B]
I just hope they end up listing the WRX and STi on the same line in Street Prepared (there seems to be some in favor of doing this). Such a move would make for some interesting update possibilities! (and a next incarnation as an SP beast for for my Wagon :devil: ) [/B][/QUOTE]Unlikely they would stay in the same class after this year, if the STi is everything the pony boys think it is. I wouldn't do UD/BD to an STi until after this year. If it gets bumped you're stuck looking at prepared or SM for 2005. (If you're pondering what I'm pondering). :D
--kC
[B]
I just hope they end up listing the WRX and STi on the same line in Street Prepared (there seems to be some in favor of doing this). Such a move would make for some interesting update possibilities! (and a next incarnation as an SP beast for for my Wagon :devil: ) [/B][/QUOTE]Unlikely they would stay in the same class after this year, if the STi is everything the pony boys think it is. I wouldn't do UD/BD to an STi until after this year. If it gets bumped you're stuck looking at prepared or SM for 2005. (If you're pondering what I'm pondering). :D
--kC
| jmott | 10-09-2003 08:44 AM |
making conclusions on the cars abilities based on a couple local events and the sparse showing at nations is ridiculous.
remember that driver skill is about 90% of the equation, there simply aren't enough results yet to conclude anything about the cars.
For the STI to win in Astock, it has to compete with a car that has a lower CG than the STI can ever have, double wishbone suspension, and far better throttle response, and bigger wheels (and therefore bigger tires) and weight is pretty close.
the AWD advantage is close to non existant when the RWD cars are on race tires.
the math says corvette has the advantage, but only time will tell for sure.
remember that driver skill is about 90% of the equation, there simply aren't enough results yet to conclude anything about the cars.
For the STI to win in Astock, it has to compete with a car that has a lower CG than the STI can ever have, double wishbone suspension, and far better throttle response, and bigger wheels (and therefore bigger tires) and weight is pretty close.
the AWD advantage is close to non existant when the RWD cars are on race tires.
the math says corvette has the advantage, but only time will tell for sure.
| MNbiker | 10-09-2003 09:27 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by KC [/i]
[B]Unlikely they would stay in the same class after this year, if the STi is everything the pony boys think it is. I wouldn't do UD/BD to an STi until after this year. If it gets bumped you're stuck looking at prepared or SM for 2005. (If you're pondering what I'm pondering). :D
--kC [/B][/QUOTE]
I figure it's a good project for NEXT Winter, if all goes well. Come on guys, don't win so much in SP that you get the STi bumped - I want a frankenwagon!:devil:
[B]Unlikely they would stay in the same class after this year, if the STi is everything the pony boys think it is. I wouldn't do UD/BD to an STi until after this year. If it gets bumped you're stuck looking at prepared or SM for 2005. (If you're pondering what I'm pondering). :D
--kC [/B][/QUOTE]
I figure it's a good project for NEXT Winter, if all goes well. Come on guys, don't win so much in SP that you get the STi bumped - I want a frankenwagon!:devil:
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