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WRC Rally Catalunya-Costa Brava 2004 by Telefonica/RACC part 1

WRXedUSA 10-28-2004 10:09 PM
WRC Rally Catalunya-Costa Brava 2004 by Telefonica/RACC
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Can we get a sticky up in here?

It's the last hoorah for the King at home.

Skoda is running a slew of cars along with Mitsubishi

Sarrazin is again faster than Mikko in shakedown. He's on Michelin's too.


[IMG]http://www.wrc.com/ULImages/Photos/Sainz.jpg[/IMG]

[url]www.subaru-global.com[/url] (Updates/Gallery)
[url]www.wrc.com[/url]
[url]http://www.rallycatalunya.com/[/url] (Official Site)
RaceComp Engineering 10-28-2004 10:27 PM
Sainz is the mannnnnnnnnnnnnnn
WRXedUSA 10-28-2004 10:44 PM
This is as close to Carlos as I ever got...

[IMG]http://www.clubwrx.net/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=19806&stc=1[/IMG]
need2speed 10-28-2004 10:54 PM
yop!Carlos last rally Catalunya

I just came form Loret de mar... can anyone tell me how to attach pics?
WRXedUSA 10-29-2004 12:51 AM
You can't actually. Post them on another website and link using the icon.
Weasel 555 10-29-2004 08:28 AM
from rally-live.com/en/
Overall after SS3:

Loeb has a 1 sec lead over the 2 Fords in 2+3 !

1. 3 LOEB-ELENA Citroen Xsa A8 37'42"300 91.5 km/h
2. 8 DUVAL-PREVOT Ford Focus A8 37'43"300 + 00'01"00
3. 7 MARTIN-PARK Ford Focus A8 37'43"400 + 00'01"10
4. 5 GRONHOLM-RAUTIA Peugeot 307 A8 37'49"500 + 00'07"20
5. 4 SAINZ-MARTI Citroen Xsa A8 37'56"100 + 00'13"80 :)
6. 1 SOLBERG-MILLS Subaru Impr A8 38'15"100 + 00'32"80 :D
7. 10 SOLA-AMIGO Mitsubishi A8 38'23"700 + 00'41"40
8. 18 SARRAZIN-PIVATO Subaru Impr A8 38'32"900 + 00'50"60
9. 2 HIRVONEN-LEHTIN Subaru Impr A8 38'39"100 + 00'56"80 :)
10. 9 PANIZZI-PANIZZI Mitsubishi A8 38'44"800 + 01'02"50

dwx: my bad was sleepy this am ;)
dwx 10-29-2004 09:41 AM
That's only 1 second, not a minute.
Weasel 555 10-29-2004 10:10 AM
[QUOTE=dwx]That's only 1 second, not a minute.[/QUOTE]
edited post my bad dwx was sleepy this am ;)

Anywho
Overall End of Day 1 SS6:

Notes: Duval lost a wheel SS6 :(

1. 3 LOEB-ELENA Citroen Xsa A8 1h15'22"200 91.6 km/h
2. 7 MARTIN-PARK Ford Focus A8 1h15'24"200 + 00'02"00
3. 5 GRONHOLM-RAUTIA Peugeot 307 A8 1h15'49"700 + 00'27"50
4. 4 SAINZ-MARTI Citroen Xsa A8 1h16'08"600 + 00'46"40 :)
5. 1 SOLBERG-MILLS Subaru Impr A8 1h16'39"100 + 01'16"90 :D
6. 8 DUVAL-PREVOT Ford Focus A8 1h16'50"300 + 01'28"10
7. 18 SARRAZIN-PIVATO Subaru Impr A8 1h17'02"200 + 01'40"00
8. 10 SOLA-AMIGO Mitsubishi A8 1h17'07"700 + 01'45"50
9. 2 HIRVONEN-LEHTIN Subaru Impr A8 1h17'23"600 + 02'01"40 :)
10. 14 GALLI-DAMORE Mitsubishi A8 1h17'41"800 + 02'19"60
11. 12 GARDEMEISTER-LU Skoda Fabia A8 1h17'49"500 + 02'27"30
Mopho 10-29-2004 03:30 PM
I am here at Catalunya, awesome! When Carlos comes through you can't hear the car because the fans go crazy!

I posted photos here [url]http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=656515[/url]
need2speed 10-29-2004 03:42 PM
MOPHO your there?
Mopho 10-29-2004 03:44 PM
[QUOTE=need2speed]MOPHO your there?[/QUOTE]

Yup!
need2speed 10-29-2004 03:47 PM
are you going to any stages tomorrow?
Mopho 10-29-2004 03:50 PM
of course! :cool: Where are you staying?
need2speed 10-29-2004 03:50 PM
i live here :)
Mopho 10-29-2004 03:54 PM
Lucky you!

Check out my ride for the week

[img]http://www.morgansegal.com/206.jpg[/img]

I will be at St Julia for sure tomorrow, I'll be the photographer :D
Mopho 10-29-2004 04:04 PM
[IMG]http://www.morgansegal.com/skoda.jpg[/IMG]
need2speed 10-29-2004 04:13 PM
wow! great pics! and nice ride to. lol! i�ve seen a few of diz today.so i guess you get all the VIP passes huh :D

must be a great job :D
Mopho 10-29-2004 04:17 PM
Yeah, not bad.

So where are you going tomorrow?
need2speed 10-29-2004 04:27 PM
I don't know,i�m thinking between:St julia & Prats de Llu�anes. What would you suggest

maybe Prats de Llu�anes,because i wanna return to Loret before the cars do.bet don�t know yet
Mopho 10-29-2004 04:32 PM
Don't really have any suggestions, I did not get to do a recce, so I am winging it
need2speed 10-29-2004 04:52 PM
Looks like i be going to Prats de Llu�anes.
Ill be at Loret after words for the return of the cars,i be wearing a black sweater whit red STI PIRELLI ridings on it:D.if you see me, give a shout :D

Anyways have a good time tomorrow taking pics of the sexyz cars on earth :banana:
Weasel 555 10-29-2004 07:12 PM
Mopho,
kewl photos :)
awesome lil pug you have ;)

btw * i'm jealous

enjoy the rest of the Rally :D
need2speed 10-29-2004 09:41 PM
Is anyone ells at the rally Catalunya?
Weasel 555 10-30-2004 09:17 AM
Day 2. News:

SS7 : Loeb retires after his oil sump breaks on the way to SS8.

SS10:Cancelled too many spectators !

Overall as off SS12:

1. 7 MARTIN-PARK Ford Focus A8 2h06'50"400 95.6 km/h
2. 5 GRONHOLM-RAUTIA Peugeot 307 A8 2h07'29"300 + 00'38"90
3. 4 SAINZ-MARTI Citroen Xsa A8 2h07'41"200 + 00'50"80
4. 18 SARRAZIN-PIVATO Subaru Impr A8 2h08'55"400 + 02'05"00
5. 1 SOLBERG-MILLS Subaru Impr A8 2h09'02"300 + 02'11"90
6. 10 SOLA-AMIGO Mitsubishi A8 2h09'26"400 + 02'36"00
7. 14 GALLI-DAMORE Mitsubishi A8 2h09'47"900 + 02'57"50
8. 17 VOUILLOZ-GIRAUD Peugeot 206 A8 2h09'58"500 + 03'08"10
9. 2 HIRVONEN-LEHTIN Subaru Impr A8 2h09'59"400 + 03'09"00
10. 12 GARDEMEISTER-LU Skoda Fabia A8 2h10'22"300 + 03'31"90
2002pete 10-30-2004 11:08 AM
Top ten stage times for SS13:

1. Marcus Gronholm Peugeot 307 WRC 05mins 12.8secs
2. Markko Martin Ford Focus RS WRC 04 +00mins 02.7secs
3. Stephane Sarrazin Subaru Impreza First 03 +00mins 03.1secs
4. Carlos Sainz Citroen Xsara WRC +00mins 03.4secs
5. Petter Solberg Subaru Impreza WRC 2004 +00mins 04.2secs
6. Gianluigi Galli Mitsubishi Lancer WR04 +00mins 04.9secs
7. Daniel Sola Mitsubishi Lancer WR04 +00mins 05.1secs
8. Nicolas Vouilloz Peugeot 206 WRC +00mins 06.8secs
9. Armin Schwarz Skoda Fabia WRC +00mins 09.6secs
10. Toni Gardemeister Skoda Fabia WRC +00mins 10.0secs

Overall times after SS13:

1. Markko Martin Ford Focus RS WRC 04 2hrs 12mins 05.9secs
2. Marcus Gronholm Peugeot 307 WRC +00mins 36.2secs
3. Carlos Sainz Citroen Xsara WRC +00mins 51.5secs
4. Stephane Sarrazin Subaru Impreza First 03 +02mins 05.4secs
5. Petter Solberg Subaru Impreza WRC 2004 +02mins 13.4secs
6. Daniel Sola Mitsubishi Lancer WR04 +02mins 38.4secs
7. Gianluigi Galli Mitsubishi Lancer WR04 +02mins 59.7secs
8. Nicolas Vouilloz Peugeot 206 WRC +03mins 12.2secs
9. Mikko Hirvonen Subaru Impreza WRC 2004 +03mins 18.3secs
10. Toni Gardemeister Skoda Fabia WRC +03mins 39.2secs
11. Armin Schwarz Skoda Fabia WRC +03mins 54.3secc
12. Gilles Panizzi Mitsubishi Lancer WR04 +04mins 39.9secs
13. Antony Warmbold Ford Focus RS WRC 02 +05mins 47.8secs
14. Giandomenico Basso Fiat Punto S1600 +10mins 15.9secs
15. Nicolas Bernardi Renault Clio +10mins 45.4secs
16. Per-Gunnar Andersson Suzuki Ignis +11mins 14.4secs
17. Guy Wilks Suzuki Ignis +12mins 15.9secs
18. Emmanuel Guigou Renault Clio +12mins 33.0secs
19. Jari-Matti Latvala Suzuki Ignis +12mins 46.7secs
20. Daniel Sordo
Weasel 555 10-30-2004 11:11 AM
End of Day 2 Overall:

1. 7 MARTIN-PARK Ford Focus A8 2h31'31"600 97.0 km/h
2. 5 GRONHOLM-RAUTIA Peugeot 307 A8 2h32'11"300 + 00'39"70
3. 4 SAINZ-MARTI Citroen Xsa A8 2h32'22"700 + 00'51"10
4. 18 SARRAZIN-PIVATO Subaru Impr A8 2h33'42"500 + 02'10"90
5. 1 SOLBERG-MILLS Subaru Impr A8 2h34'11"000 + 02'39"40
6. 10 SOLA-AMIGO Mitsubishi A8 2h34'23"000 + 02'51"40
7. 14 GALLI-DAMORE Mitsubishi A8 2h34'55"500 + 03'23"90
8. 17 VOUILLOZ-GIRAUD Peugeot 206 A8 2h35'08"300 + 03'36"70
9. 2 HIRVONEN-LEHTIN Subaru Impr A8 2h35'27"500 + 03'55"90
10. 12 GARDEMEISTER-LU Skoda Fabia A8 2h35'38"700 + 04'07"10

JWRC Overall:
1. 39 BERNARDI-FORTIN Renault Cli A6 2h43'45"500 89.8 km/h
2. 45 ANDERSSON-ANDER Suzuki Igni A6 2h44'28"900 + 00'43"40
3. 33 WILKS-PUGH Suzuki Igni A8 2h45'35"300 + 01'49"80
Rallycarperson 10-30-2004 11:51 AM
Wow look at Sarrazin. Fourth and ahead of Solberg. :eek:


-Mark
MAPmotors.com
WRXedUSA 10-30-2004 12:39 PM
Sarrazin for '05

I told you guys!
johnfelstead 10-30-2004 01:52 PM
He is running on decent tyres, that must be embarasing for Pirreli.
WRXedUSA 10-30-2004 02:14 PM
[QUOTE=johnfelstead]He is running on decent tyres, that must be embarasing for Pirreli.[/QUOTE]

Yes.

It's not diff settings.
Its not driver skill
It's got to be tires.

Then again, todays LSD and other complex drivetrain settings have taking some of the rallying outta rallying. Explaining why cars don't drift corners, and now take a perfect arc.

Pirelli better get to work over this winter....... :mad:
Mopho 10-30-2004 04:00 PM
Day one is up on [url]www.subaru.net[/url]

Day Two should be up this evening
Mopho 10-30-2004 04:04 PM
[QUOTE=need2speed]Looks like i be going to Prats de Llu�anes.
Ill be at Loret after words for the return of the cars,i be wearing a black sweater whit red STI PIRELLI ridings on it:D.if you see me, give a shout :D

Anyways have a good time tomorrow taking pics of the sexyz cars on earth :banana:[/QUOTE]

I am glad I overslept this morning (have not been able to sleep since getting here, so this was a good thing) and missed St Julia (cancelled)

Will try for the second run of Viladrau (reverse st Julia) I am the photog with shaved head (I will wear my SCCA Pro Rally hat) likely will be in the middle of the corner, so give me a shout if you see me ;)
WRXedUSA 10-30-2004 05:41 PM
Morgan,

What is Sebby doing in the pic??

[IMG]http://www.subaru.net/media/2004/catalunya/dayone/images/DSC_7515.jpg[/IMG]
Mopho 10-31-2004 05:22 AM
[QUOTE=WRXedUSA]Morgan,

What is Sebby doing in the pic??

[/QUOTE]


he spun the car and stalled, he says he lost fifteen seconds but it did not seem that long at all.
Mopho 10-31-2004 05:24 AM
[QUOTE=Rallycarperson]Wow look at Sarrazin. Fourth and ahead of Solberg. :eek:


-Mark
MAPmotors.com[/QUOTE]

petter spun on a narrow section of road and had to practically do a seven point turn to get out, lost a lot of time

Also Sarrazin is a Tarmac specialist
Protege Menace 10-31-2004 06:21 AM
dammit, the ONE race when it doesnt matter loeb breaks down.


why coudlnt this be last rally giving petter a chance :(

(although hes not doing well so doesnt matter)
mykrrrr 10-31-2004 07:47 AM
Catalunya Spoiler Inside...
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[IMG]http://rally.racing-live.com/photos/2004/catalunya/diapoe_216.jpg[/IMG]

The future of the WRC uncovered. :lol:

Look @ the pace of the Skoda's :D


-mykr.
Weasel 555 10-31-2004 10:07 AM
:lol: at above photo ^^

Final Results:
Congrats to Marko on winning

i'm glad Carlos got another podium finish

and yeah Sarrazin just awesome ...and Mitsubishi with 2 cars in top ten seperating Solberg and Hirvonen ....can't wait to watch tonite on speedtv

Top Ten Rally Catalunya:
1. 7 MARTIN-PARK Ford Focus A8 3h40'43"800 95.5 km/h
2. 5 GRONHOLM-RAUTIA Peugeot 307 A8 3h41'07"000 + 00'23"20
3. 4 SAINZ-MARTI Citroen Xsa A8 3h41'21"500 + 00'37"70
4. 18 SARRAZIN-PIVATO Subaru Impr A8 3h43'34"200 + 02'50"40
5. 1 SOLBERG-MILLS Subaru Impr A8 3h43'50"500 + 03'06"70
6. 10 SOLA-AMIGO Mitsubishi A8 3h44'39"500 + 03'55"70
7. 14 GALLI-DAMORE Mitsubishi A8 3h44'49"800 + 04'06"00
8. 2 HIRVONEN-LEHTIN Subaru Impr A8 3h45'15"500 + 04'31"70
9. 12 GARDEMEISTER-LU Skoda Fabia A8 3h45'21"400 + 04'37"60
10. 17 VOUILLOZ-GIRAUD Peugeot 206 A8 3h45'28"800 + 04'45"00
nogger 11-01-2004 01:09 AM
Not a bad rally. A 5th for Solberg on tarmac is a decent result though I'd like to see him a little higher. Petter's only 3 points ahead of 3rd place so he needs a decent finish at the last rally to ensure 2nd place in the standings.
96WRX 11-01-2004 08:55 AM
[QUOTE=mykrrrr][IMG]http://rally.racing-live.com/photos/2004/catalunya/diapoe_216.jpg[/IMG]

The future of the WRC uncovered. :lol:

Look @ the pace of the Skoda's :D


-mykr.[/QUOTE]

This is what helped get that SS10 stage canceled, cute, but in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Yea, Petter was held back because of tires, maybe this will be an eye opener to either Pirelli or Subaru. I hold Subaru signs Sarrazin, they need a tarmac driver.
wrrrx 11-01-2004 09:28 AM
[QUOTE=96WRX]This is what helped get that SS10 stage canceled, cute, but in the wrong place at the wrong time.

Yea, Petter was held back because of tires, maybe this will be an eye opener to either Pirelli or Subaru. I hold Subaru signs Sarrazin, they need a tarmac driver.[/QUOTE]

Well, I'd love it if this served as an eye-opener for Pirelli, but it's nothing new. :mad: C'mon boys- get on the stick!!
Hell, their eyes should have been opened [B]years[/B] ago to this tarmac performance deficit! :furious:
I was sitting there wondering what poor Pug boss Corrado Provera must be thinking;' "[COLOR=Green][I][B]Mon dieu! What have we done- forsaken ze French tire for ze Pirelli, wheech have much SUCK!![/B][/I][/COLOR]" :lol: :lol:

Better tires or no, Petter should have done better when the weather turned wet.

Russ R
lark6 11-01-2004 12:12 PM
[QUOTE=wrrrx]Well, I'd love it if this served as an eye-opener for Pirelli, but it's nothing new. :mad: C'mon boys- get on the stick!!
Hell, their eyes should have been opened [B]years[/B] ago to this tarmac performance deficit! :furious:
I was sitting there wondering what poor Pug boss Corrado Provera must be thinking;' "[COLOR=Green][I][B]Mon dieu! What have we done- forsaken ze French tire for ze Pirelli, wheech have much SUCK!![/B][/I][/COLOR]" :lol: :lol:[/QUOTE]

Which begs the question (in NASIOC-speak): Why Subaru don't Michelin? :confused:
bemani 11-01-2004 01:36 PM
There are going to be only 3 tarmac rallies next year, right? Better that Pirelli concentrate on improving their gravel / rain tires, and have Subaru settle for a few points instead of letting Michelin catch up on the other surfaces while Pirelli struggle with dry tarmac tires.
GreenMarine 11-01-2004 11:07 PM
What do those Mitsu's look like??? Any change from the last cars?? I didn't catch the rally this weekend... I was at the Atlanta SouthEast Subaru Challenge :):)
WRXedUSA 11-01-2004 11:20 PM
I like to think that Subaru is gambling that you can win teh Championship with a excellent gravel tire (Pirelli) vs the Michelins that will only guarantee performance on maybe 4 out of the 16 events, those being Monte Carlo, Germany, Corsica and Spain.

I think Subaru/Pirelli is taking the correct directions with the gravel tire development in that the new events (Japan, Italy, Mexico, Turkey) are all gravel, and that the trend will be that was because of costs and safety (a-la Hinkelsteins & Average speed limitations).

Whats frightening was Michelin's performance on snow/ice in Sweden. Pirelli was no where to be found there....

Still, there is no excuse for Pirelli's dry tarmac tire. Sarrazin showed that the WRC03 is a fast car, and we know that Petter brings much skill.

Frankly, I have no freaking clue why Peugeot being a French team of all people, would go with Pirelli.
PKer 11-02-2004 11:51 AM
[QUOTE=lark6]Which begs the question (in NASIOC-speak): Why Subaru don't Michelin? :confused:[/QUOTE]
I almost started a thread with that exact title. :lol:
But seriously why?
boxered 11-02-2004 12:26 PM
[QUOTE=GreenMarineSVX]What do those Mitsu's look like??? Any change from the last cars??[/QUOTE]

Big changes..it's an all new car with big$$$ invested and plenty of bugs to be worked out. I thought they made a nice run in this rally considering the year they've had so far.

[img]http://sportcompactcarweb.com/features/0403scc_mitsuwrc01_z.jpg[/img]
bemani 11-02-2004 01:05 PM
[QUOTE=WRXedUSA]Still, there is no excuse for Pirelli's dry tarmac tire. Sarrazin showed that the WRC03 is a fast car, and we know that Petter brings much skill.

[/QUOTE]

I don't think Pirelli can ever match Michelin's tarmac tire, them with all that F1 tire development. Might as well concentrate on what you know best.
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