| TexRex2002 | 05-14-2003 07:26 PM |
WRX a good Auto-x car?
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Hello.
I am a new rex owner, and I have just heard about the Auto-x type of events. They sound really fun, but I am not sure if my car is suitable.
I've read, I think on Cobb tuning's page, that The WRX's brakes and ABS are terrible. Also, I wonder if the lack of low end torque makes for slow times? Is there a lot of shoving the shifter into first heading into a turn? My car doesn't particularly like being downshifted into first, and is dog-slow in low rpm second.
I've never even been to an event, so are there many subies out there? Do they do well?
I guess I'm asking not becasue I want to win all the events, but if the car isn't suited to the type of competition, I won't bother entering it.
Also, my car is bone stock, but I am ordering a UTEC (for my commuting pleasure), which places me in SM. I suppose I would be thoroughly embarrassed by those guys...
Any thoughts?
I am a new rex owner, and I have just heard about the Auto-x type of events. They sound really fun, but I am not sure if my car is suitable.
I've read, I think on Cobb tuning's page, that The WRX's brakes and ABS are terrible. Also, I wonder if the lack of low end torque makes for slow times? Is there a lot of shoving the shifter into first heading into a turn? My car doesn't particularly like being downshifted into first, and is dog-slow in low rpm second.
I've never even been to an event, so are there many subies out there? Do they do well?
I guess I'm asking not becasue I want to win all the events, but if the car isn't suited to the type of competition, I won't bother entering it.
Also, my car is bone stock, but I am ordering a UTEC (for my commuting pleasure), which places me in SM. I suppose I would be thoroughly embarrassed by those guys...
Any thoughts?
| TyrannoSullyRex | 05-14-2003 07:35 PM |
A WRX isn't exactly the best car for autocross (in stock class) but it does OK.
Come out to a [URL=http://www.houscca.com/solo2/solo.html]Houston SCCA[/URL] event and I'll give you a ride along.
Come out to a [URL=http://www.houscca.com/solo2/solo.html]Houston SCCA[/URL] event and I'll give you a ride along.
| slim speedy | 05-14-2003 10:06 PM |
In the hands of a good driver a WRX can be quite competitive. However it and all small displacement turbo cars can be quite difficult for a beginner to drive in autox. There are tons of WRX's in this area that autox, some of them do fairly well, some of them don't. Its mostly the driver. I would say just go out and give it a shot, its a hell of a lot of fun and it somewhat keeps you from doing stupid stuff on the street. Don't worry about how well you finish, just have a good time.
| dwx | 05-14-2003 10:08 PM |
Subarus and WRXs do very well at a regional level in a few different categories. They haven't won national titles but have certainly been in the top 10 in a couple different classes. The Integra Type R is a tough car to beat nationally. Around here we have an indexed Front Wheel Drive Street Tire class that the WRX competes in, and it's been a long time since a WRX didn't win that class, which usually gets 30+ cars.
| Orion | 05-15-2003 12:52 AM |
Re: WRX a good Auto-x car?
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by TexRex2002 [/i]
[B]
Also, my car is bone stock, but I am ordering a UTEC (for my commuting pleasure), which places me in SM. I suppose I would be thoroughly embarrassed by those guys...
Any thoughts? [/B][/QUOTE]
Get some 225/45-17 Falken Azenis and some 17x7.5" wheels and run Street Touring Unlimited (STU). It's a Houston Region only class, but the UTEC is perfectly legal there. I won it in 2002 with a mostly STX equipped car. I had no real power mods other than a turbo-back for the last 5 events, briefly ran the UTEC (1 event) and Unichip (3 events) before that.
Now, don't expect to win right away in any class as AutoX has a learning curve if you've never done it. People like T-SullyRex and the other Subie gang (20+ cars per event) are usually more than happy to help you out.
[B]
Also, my car is bone stock, but I am ordering a UTEC (for my commuting pleasure), which places me in SM. I suppose I would be thoroughly embarrassed by those guys...
Any thoughts? [/B][/QUOTE]
Get some 225/45-17 Falken Azenis and some 17x7.5" wheels and run Street Touring Unlimited (STU). It's a Houston Region only class, but the UTEC is perfectly legal there. I won it in 2002 with a mostly STX equipped car. I had no real power mods other than a turbo-back for the last 5 events, briefly ran the UTEC (1 event) and Unichip (3 events) before that.
Now, don't expect to win right away in any class as AutoX has a learning curve if you've never done it. People like T-SullyRex and the other Subie gang (20+ cars per event) are usually more than happy to help you out.
| forced4 | 05-15-2003 01:03 AM |
Re: Re: WRX a good Auto-x car?
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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Orion [/i]
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Now, don't expect to win right away in any class as AutoX has a learning curve if you've never done it. People like T-SullyRex and the other Subie gang (20+ cars per event) are usually more than happy to help you out. [/B][/QUOTE]
what Orion said :D Let Sully show you the ropes too.
Will
[B]
Now, don't expect to win right away in any class as AutoX has a learning curve if you've never done it. People like T-SullyRex and the other Subie gang (20+ cars per event) are usually more than happy to help you out. [/B][/QUOTE]
what Orion said :D Let Sully show you the ropes too.
Will
| Kostamojen | 05-15-2003 02:36 AM |
Last year I would have said its not that great, until this year a dude in my region with a ST-X preped WRX started paxing in the top 3 (out of ~80 cars) of the first couple events... With good skills and the right set up, definatly yes!
| CosmoTheCat | 05-15-2003 04:38 AM |
At local/regional level competition I'd wager that most of what makes a winner is driver skill followed by how badly the driver is willing to thrash his car, then by the car itself.
I recently went to my first autox (spectator) and there was an RS that was turning faster times than a WRX, but there was also a handful of older Hondas (CRX, and even an ancient cvcc looking thing) that were pretty darned fast.
The most impressive run I saw was a WRX wearing Azinis during the wettest run of the day. But then again, he was a good driver. :)
Next month I'm entering if at all possible.
I recently went to my first autox (spectator) and there was an RS that was turning faster times than a WRX, but there was also a handful of older Hondas (CRX, and even an ancient cvcc looking thing) that were pretty darned fast.
The most impressive run I saw was a WRX wearing Azinis during the wettest run of the day. But then again, he was a good driver. :)
Next month I'm entering if at all possible.
| MattDell | 05-15-2003 08:11 AM |
Heel-toe it into first, should go in with no problem.
-Matt (Auto-X this Sunday! :D)
-Matt (Auto-X this Sunday! :D)
| STX_REX | 05-15-2003 08:43 AM |
24K miles two seasons of Auto-x, and I can still slip mine into 1st at 20-25mph with no dramma. Only problem is most times you give up what you gain. I only do it on corners with extremly low exit speeds, < 15mph. Otherwise you can see the big clock ticking as you wait for the boost to build and the car to start accelerating.:(
| Crosser | 05-15-2003 08:54 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by dwx [/i]
[B]Subarus and WRXs do very well at a regional level in a few different categories. They haven't won national titles but have certainly been in the top 10 in a couple different classes. The Integra Type R is a tough car to beat nationally. Around here we have an indexed Front Wheel Drive Street Tire class that the WRX competes in, and it's been a long time since a WRX didn't win that class, which usually gets 30+ cars. [/B][/QUOTE]
Brian Priebe won STS in 2000 in a Subaru RS. And Eric Kriemelmeyer was 2nd by .068 seconds in an RS that season as well.
Kiko won the Pro Solo championship last season in STX in a WRX.
Richard West has won the Pro Solo championship for the last two season in STS.
All of which are National titles.
The WRX's are well suited for STX and in the right hands will do well. Especially at the Pro Solo races where the AWD launch is a big advantage.
[B]Subarus and WRXs do very well at a regional level in a few different categories. They haven't won national titles but have certainly been in the top 10 in a couple different classes. The Integra Type R is a tough car to beat nationally. Around here we have an indexed Front Wheel Drive Street Tire class that the WRX competes in, and it's been a long time since a WRX didn't win that class, which usually gets 30+ cars. [/B][/QUOTE]
Brian Priebe won STS in 2000 in a Subaru RS. And Eric Kriemelmeyer was 2nd by .068 seconds in an RS that season as well.
Kiko won the Pro Solo championship last season in STX in a WRX.
Richard West has won the Pro Solo championship for the last two season in STS.
All of which are National titles.
The WRX's are well suited for STX and in the right hands will do well. Especially at the Pro Solo races where the AWD launch is a big advantage.
| KC | 05-15-2003 09:02 AM |
I can beg and plead all you guys all I can... there is NO reason to go down to 1st gear on a slow corner (and yes, I'm talking 15mph).
You have to brake, turn and get on it right away TIGHT IN.
While the boost builds, you're running on the 2L of displacement to get you around that corner (just like all the hondas, etc... we're on their level hitting these corners, and we have the same amt of torque if not a little more sans boost) So it may seem like an eternity, when the boost builds as you go around the corner, very tight to the cones, hitting the exit, you'll be at full boost again in 2nd gear. WHY waste all that boost on a shift from 1st back to 2nd gear and have to wait again for it to build? (Not to mention you get more boost in 2nd gear than in 1st)
The WRX is a very capable car on certain courses. The bigger part of the equasion is the driver and seat time with it. It's similar in setup and driving to FWD then RWD. Anyone trying to drive this car like a RWD car at an auto-x will be severely disappointed.
Biggest point is to have fun on weekends whiule you ignore your chores. :D
Seat time makes all the difference in the world, and the WRX loves to be flogged around the course.
You have to brake, turn and get on it right away TIGHT IN.
While the boost builds, you're running on the 2L of displacement to get you around that corner (just like all the hondas, etc... we're on their level hitting these corners, and we have the same amt of torque if not a little more sans boost) So it may seem like an eternity, when the boost builds as you go around the corner, very tight to the cones, hitting the exit, you'll be at full boost again in 2nd gear. WHY waste all that boost on a shift from 1st back to 2nd gear and have to wait again for it to build? (Not to mention you get more boost in 2nd gear than in 1st)
The WRX is a very capable car on certain courses. The bigger part of the equasion is the driver and seat time with it. It's similar in setup and driving to FWD then RWD. Anyone trying to drive this car like a RWD car at an auto-x will be severely disappointed.
Biggest point is to have fun on weekends whiule you ignore your chores. :D
Seat time makes all the difference in the world, and the WRX loves to be flogged around the course.
| TexRex2002 | 05-15-2003 09:04 AM |
the big clock ticking...
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yeah, I know what you mean about waiting for the power band to arrive . Sometimes I think I can feel my bodyclock ticking waiting for the power to come (even more in second than first...)
Maybe I could fit an aluminum v8 in my rex... JUST KIDDING!!!
"Heel toe it." now that sounds complicated. I've tried a couple of times to get one foot on both pedals, but haven't quite gotten the hang of it. I try to get it right, and by the time I do, I've either forgotten all about shifting and clutching, or have rolled to a complete stop... (well, keep in mind my exaggeration factor of about 3.5) :p
Thanks for the input! There's an event here on June 1st, I'll probably go to that.
Whoever suggested tires is dead on also. My stock ones seem to be a great choice for snow and dirt road kind of driving, but don't really contribute much to hard cornering on asphalt...
Maybe I could fit an aluminum v8 in my rex... JUST KIDDING!!!
"Heel toe it." now that sounds complicated. I've tried a couple of times to get one foot on both pedals, but haven't quite gotten the hang of it. I try to get it right, and by the time I do, I've either forgotten all about shifting and clutching, or have rolled to a complete stop... (well, keep in mind my exaggeration factor of about 3.5) :p
Thanks for the input! There's an event here on June 1st, I'll probably go to that.
Whoever suggested tires is dead on also. My stock ones seem to be a great choice for snow and dirt road kind of driving, but don't really contribute much to hard cornering on asphalt...
| KC | 05-15-2003 09:04 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Crosser [/i]
[B]Kiko won the Pro Solo championship last season in STX in a WRX.[/B][/QUOTE]Dammit everyone forgets 2nd place! :D
--kC
(2nd in STX for the Pro Solo Championship, 2nd in Honda Street Challenge in the Pro Solo Finale, 7th at nationals all on a borked DMS suspension... yes, I said borked.)
[B]Kiko won the Pro Solo championship last season in STX in a WRX.[/B][/QUOTE]Dammit everyone forgets 2nd place! :D
--kC
(2nd in STX for the Pro Solo Championship, 2nd in Honda Street Challenge in the Pro Solo Finale, 7th at nationals all on a borked DMS suspension... yes, I said borked.)
| trhoppe | 05-15-2003 09:57 AM |
Speaking of stock WRXs :)
A well setup and driven DS WRX would be the car to beat IMHO. Especially at the Pros. I wooped some butt last year in a NOT very well setup WRX. That car would have been very very fast with some doubles on it.
-Tom
A well setup and driven DS WRX would be the car to beat IMHO. Especially at the Pros. I wooped some butt last year in a NOT very well setup WRX. That car would have been very very fast with some doubles on it.
-Tom
| lstepnio | 05-15-2003 01:17 PM |
Honestly, it really doesn't even matter if you go out with a mini van. You'll most likey have fun whatever you bring. If you get into the sport you can spend a little money on a few simple upgrades like a sway bar and and some sticky tires.
I've never had a problem with the ABS system.
I've never had a problem with the ABS system.
| KC | 05-15-2003 01:20 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by lstepnio [/i]
[B]I've never had a problem with the ABS system. [/B][/QUOTE] You're not driving hard enough. ;) :D
[B]I've never had a problem with the ABS system. [/B][/QUOTE] You're not driving hard enough. ;) :D
| MonoSki | 05-15-2003 01:31 PM |
A DS WRX can do quite well.
2nd place Ft Myers Pro
[url]http://www.scca.org/amateur/solo2/prosolo/2003/ftmyers/results.html[/url]
Fontana Pro - No entries
2nd place Dallas Pro
[url]http://www.scca.org/amateur/solo2/prosolo/2003/dallas/results.html[/url]
4th place Topeka Pro
[url]http://www.scca.org/amateur/solo2/prosolo/2003/topeka/results.html[/url]
Atwater Pro - No entries
4th place Ft Myers Natl tour
[url]http://www.scca.org/amateur/solo2/nat_tour/2003/ftmyers/results.html[/url]
San Diego Natl tour - no time registered
1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th Houston Natl tour
[url]http://www.scca.org/amateur/solo2/nat_tour/2003/houston/results.html[/url]
Looks good to me....
Also looks like there are a lot of WRX's in Houston. Guess it is all the snow they get!!!!
2nd place Ft Myers Pro
[url]http://www.scca.org/amateur/solo2/prosolo/2003/ftmyers/results.html[/url]
Fontana Pro - No entries
2nd place Dallas Pro
[url]http://www.scca.org/amateur/solo2/prosolo/2003/dallas/results.html[/url]
4th place Topeka Pro
[url]http://www.scca.org/amateur/solo2/prosolo/2003/topeka/results.html[/url]
Atwater Pro - No entries
4th place Ft Myers Natl tour
[url]http://www.scca.org/amateur/solo2/nat_tour/2003/ftmyers/results.html[/url]
San Diego Natl tour - no time registered
1st, 2nd, 3rd, 5th, 6th, 7th, 8th, 9th Houston Natl tour
[url]http://www.scca.org/amateur/solo2/nat_tour/2003/houston/results.html[/url]
Looks good to me....
Also looks like there are a lot of WRX's in Houston. Guess it is all the snow they get!!!!
| KC | 05-15-2003 01:42 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MonoSki [/i]
[B]Also looks like there are a lot of WRX's in Houston. Guess it is all the snow they get!!!! [/B][/QUOTE]Hail counts, right? :D
[B]Also looks like there are a lot of WRX's in Houston. Guess it is all the snow they get!!!! [/B][/QUOTE]Hail counts, right? :D
| Subayai WRX | 05-15-2003 04:19 PM |
I completely agree with trhoppe. The issue is that these cars are not being driven by people who are expert at autocrossing them. Everyone, in the So Cal region is still learning, and the old timers are complaining about it's not handling like a favorite old car.
If a modified Ford Escort can overwhelm the WRX, in STX, then that tells you something is wrong (look at the results on this day for STS and STX [URL=http://www.solo2.com/EventData/2002/Results/2003-03-02r.pdf]http://www.solo2.com/EventData/2002/Results/2003-03-02r.pdf[/URL]) You will notice the top times in STS were Hiroo Sumida with a 72.561 (in an RS), and the best STX time was 74.963, and the best STX WRX time was James Sajor (lil'redwagon) at 75.369, and James is a good driver). Torque and not HP are important, this is why the Vette's kick butt. Turbo charged cars do not have torque, since the compression is lower than a NA engine to handle the boost. But regardless of the engine it is really about driving the car smoothly and effectively. Given that, I think the WRX is really a car to be reckoned with. As far as DS class is concerned the only really competition that I see is a the Audi S4, the ITR folks have had a good three years or more at driving their cars, which is why I think they are so tough, but I they will eventually fall to the experienced WRX crowd.
If a modified Ford Escort can overwhelm the WRX, in STX, then that tells you something is wrong (look at the results on this day for STS and STX [URL=http://www.solo2.com/EventData/2002/Results/2003-03-02r.pdf]http://www.solo2.com/EventData/2002/Results/2003-03-02r.pdf[/URL]) You will notice the top times in STS were Hiroo Sumida with a 72.561 (in an RS), and the best STX time was 74.963, and the best STX WRX time was James Sajor (lil'redwagon) at 75.369, and James is a good driver). Torque and not HP are important, this is why the Vette's kick butt. Turbo charged cars do not have torque, since the compression is lower than a NA engine to handle the boost. But regardless of the engine it is really about driving the car smoothly and effectively. Given that, I think the WRX is really a car to be reckoned with. As far as DS class is concerned the only really competition that I see is a the Audi S4, the ITR folks have had a good three years or more at driving their cars, which is why I think they are so tough, but I they will eventually fall to the experienced WRX crowd.
| trhoppe | 05-15-2003 04:34 PM |
Hmm, I wouldnt call this "Eventually" ;)
2002 ProSolo Finale, DS
[url]http://www.scca.org/amateur/solo2/prosolo/2002/finale/results.html[/url]
2002 ProSolo Finale, DS
[url]http://www.scca.org/amateur/solo2/prosolo/2002/finale/results.html[/url]
| Subayai WRX | 05-15-2003 04:39 PM |
What I meant was eventually in Solo II. In ProSolo the WRX is already the force to be reckoned with, as you have already shown!
| Kostamojen | 05-16-2003 01:59 AM |
Heres what I'm competing with in ST-X (thats me in 2nd place, pretty good considering I only have 110hp :lol: ):
[url]http://www.csccautox.org/3-03-23%20results.xls[/url]
[url]http://www.csccautox.org/3-03-23%20results.xls[/url]
| XT6Wagon | 05-16-2003 02:17 AM |
Depends on the region. If you live somewhere where they like really tight courses (AKA nearly stock Miatas compete with 400HP vettes for the fast time of the day) its going to suck.
On some of the fast open courses its going to do well.
That said I am according to my calculations leading the local area in SM with my WRX wagon.
On some of the fast open courses its going to do well.
That said I am according to my calculations leading the local area in SM with my WRX wagon.
| Orion | 05-17-2003 12:43 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by MonoSki [/i]
[B]
Also looks like there are a lot of WRX's in Houston. Guess it is all the snow they get!!!! [/B][/QUOTE]
Actually there's quite a few less these days. A few of us left the region and others are in new cars.
[B]
Also looks like there are a lot of WRX's in Houston. Guess it is all the snow they get!!!! [/B][/QUOTE]
Actually there's quite a few less these days. A few of us left the region and others are in new cars.
| Kostamojen | 05-17-2003 02:50 AM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by XT6Wagon [/i]
[B]Depends on the region. If you live somewhere where they like really tight courses (AKA nearly stock Miatas compete with 400HP vettes for the fast time of the day) its going to suck.
On some of the fast open courses its going to do well.
[/B][/QUOTE]
That being said, I no longer believe that. I did last year, as WRX's did quite will in the American Autocross series (designed for high HP muscle cars) compaired to SCCA and CSCC (both miata-friendly)
But that WRX I mentioned is doing extremely well on VERY tight and twisty courses, which is normally when I beat up on WRX's :p
[B]Depends on the region. If you live somewhere where they like really tight courses (AKA nearly stock Miatas compete with 400HP vettes for the fast time of the day) its going to suck.
On some of the fast open courses its going to do well.
[/B][/QUOTE]
That being said, I no longer believe that. I did last year, as WRX's did quite will in the American Autocross series (designed for high HP muscle cars) compaired to SCCA and CSCC (both miata-friendly)
But that WRX I mentioned is doing extremely well on VERY tight and twisty courses, which is normally when I beat up on WRX's :p
| XT6Wagon | 05-19-2003 12:35 AM |
my main problem with the WRX in tight courses is they usualy are the exact wrong size for the WRX's gearing. Too fast for 1st alone (35mph or so IIRC), but not fast enough to make 2nd at all usable. Plus mine atleast is a nightmare to drive in 1st as the throttle is impossible to be smooth with. Never really drove the car much stock so that might not be a stock WRX's problem.
| Kostamojen | 05-19-2003 03:24 AM |
I think the solution to the gearing issue = 45 series tires on a 16" wheel
| WRX-ECE | 05-19-2003 06:32 PM |
I have to say that in Philly region we have a rather large Subaru crowd who do rather well and our courses are usually tight and technical. STS is dominated by three very good RS drivers. This doesn't include our driver of the year and runner up who co-drive an STX RS as PRO. STX is filled with WRX drivers, most of which(myself included) are starting there second full season and have alot of learning to do. We are starting to get competitive (I was first in STX and 6th in PAX our first event thanks to rain). We usually run around 100 drivers at an event.
To the point of just not going if the car isn't competitive, that's dumb. You will have fun, you will learn alot and you won't win. At least not at first. As long as you practice and learn from your mistakes then you will get better and you will start winning.
In the end just try it, it's only $20 and a Sunday that you waste if it isn't for you, right?
Jeremy
To the point of just not going if the car isn't competitive, that's dumb. You will have fun, you will learn alot and you won't win. At least not at first. As long as you practice and learn from your mistakes then you will get better and you will start winning.
In the end just try it, it's only $20 and a Sunday that you waste if it isn't for you, right?
Jeremy
| WRX-ECE | 05-19-2003 06:33 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Kostamojen [/i]
[B]I think the solution to the gearing issue = 45 series tires on a 16" wheel [/B][/QUOTE]
What I'm doing this season, does wonders for pulling out of tight turns!!!!
Jeremy
[B]I think the solution to the gearing issue = 45 series tires on a 16" wheel [/B][/QUOTE]
What I'm doing this season, does wonders for pulling out of tight turns!!!!
Jeremy
| driggity | 05-19-2003 07:40 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Kostamojen [/i]
[B]I think the solution to the gearing issue = 45 series tires on a 16" wheel [/B][/QUOTE]
Or you could be like a certain nut around here and run 215/40 16s. Those things look tiny.
[B]I think the solution to the gearing issue = 45 series tires on a 16" wheel [/B][/QUOTE]
Or you could be like a certain nut around here and run 215/40 16s. Those things look tiny.
| bvondran | 05-19-2003 10:28 PM |
[QUOTE]I think the solution to the gearing issue = 45 series tires on a 16" wheel[/QUOTE]
I learned to carry a whole lot more speed and get on the gas earlier. Alignment has a lot to do with it. I had some help from a fairly experienced autoxer when I was first learning to drive my RS at a Cendiv.
My problem was I was trying to drive it like my old Miata, slow in, fast out. Which was different from my old civic which was, carry a whole lotta speed into the turn, get it turned, get back on the gas.
Kinda had to combine the two with the RS, I learned to carry a lot of speed into the turn and get on the gas almost immediatly after turning in. It's a very unnatural feeling, but you have to remember that unlike two wheel drive cars, the RS/WRX is still picking up forward momentum as it slides. It really likes to slide. And if the alignment is right, it'll rotate pretty well on the throttle as well. You WRX guys should learn this (listen to KC) as it'll allow you to be on boost longer.
Brian
I learned to carry a whole lot more speed and get on the gas earlier. Alignment has a lot to do with it. I had some help from a fairly experienced autoxer when I was first learning to drive my RS at a Cendiv.
My problem was I was trying to drive it like my old Miata, slow in, fast out. Which was different from my old civic which was, carry a whole lotta speed into the turn, get it turned, get back on the gas.
Kinda had to combine the two with the RS, I learned to carry a lot of speed into the turn and get on the gas almost immediatly after turning in. It's a very unnatural feeling, but you have to remember that unlike two wheel drive cars, the RS/WRX is still picking up forward momentum as it slides. It really likes to slide. And if the alignment is right, it'll rotate pretty well on the throttle as well. You WRX guys should learn this (listen to KC) as it'll allow you to be on boost longer.
Brian
| Subayai WRX | 05-20-2003 11:28 AM |
Here is general question that I have. Out here in So Calif. we basically 1) use only tarmac lots, 2) have about 250-350 cars running. What I find is that the line that I want to take in my WRX calls for late apex'ing some turns. It just seems natural to me to just rush in, apply full brake, throttle up and turn quickly. Now here is the problem with doing this, since we use tarmac there is always a lot of surface debris (asphalt pebbles, grit, what not), the line to these turns is to the inside (which has been cleared by the some 80 cars before me), and is not where I want to be. Out there is nothing but 2 to 3 times as much debris, which makes it impossible to be out there and especially braking hard.
So now for the real question, are AWD cars put at a disadvantage since we cannot be on the part of the turns that we want to, and is this possibly causing some them to not dominate in auto-crossing (as well as road racing)?
In the region that I compete in I have to take the Maita/Corvette line, as these cars dominate the number of entrants.
So now for the real question, are AWD cars put at a disadvantage since we cannot be on the part of the turns that we want to, and is this possibly causing some them to not dominate in auto-crossing (as well as road racing)?
In the region that I compete in I have to take the Maita/Corvette line, as these cars dominate the number of entrants.
| TriniTuner | 05-20-2003 01:00 PM |
Even more evidence that WRX's in the right hands are quick. The Austin Spokes club is one of the best in the nation with several nat'l champs among its members.
Texas Spokes Sports Car Club
Pax Final Results, #3 - Conefused - March 29, 2003
Total Entries: 133
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Car # Driver Car Model Time Factor Pax Time Lag Time From 1st
1 stx 71 Ramsey Foster Scooby Rex 53.752 *0.798 = 42.894 0.000 0.000
2 fp 15 Brian Taubman Datsun 240Z 50.167 *0.861 = 43.194 0.300 0.300
3 sm2 111 Erik Strelnieks Z06 Yellow 50.953 *0.851 = 43.361 0.167 0.467
4 xsm 9 Eric Hyman Supra 51.998 *0.834 = 43.366 0.005 0.472
5 xcsp 1 Andy Hollis Miata-on-steroids 51.802 *0.839 = 43.462 0.096 0.568
6 stx 6 Douglas Aleong Subaru Impreza WRX 54.533 *0.798 = 43.517 0.055 0.623
7 ss 99 Denny Feigenspan Z06 52.013 *0.837 = 43.535 0.018 0.641
8 gs 73 Scott Bowman Mini Cooper S 55.716 *0.782 = 43.570 0.035 0.676
9 stx 43 Jonathan Jaynes Integra Type R 54.983 *0.798 = 43.876 0.306 0.982
10 stx 28 John Hale 03 Subaru Snowplow 55.041 *0.798 = 43.923 0.047 1.029
Texas Spokes Sports Car Club
Pax Final Results, #3 - Conefused - March 29, 2003
Total Entries: 133
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Car # Driver Car Model Time Factor Pax Time Lag Time From 1st
1 stx 71 Ramsey Foster Scooby Rex 53.752 *0.798 = 42.894 0.000 0.000
2 fp 15 Brian Taubman Datsun 240Z 50.167 *0.861 = 43.194 0.300 0.300
3 sm2 111 Erik Strelnieks Z06 Yellow 50.953 *0.851 = 43.361 0.167 0.467
4 xsm 9 Eric Hyman Supra 51.998 *0.834 = 43.366 0.005 0.472
5 xcsp 1 Andy Hollis Miata-on-steroids 51.802 *0.839 = 43.462 0.096 0.568
6 stx 6 Douglas Aleong Subaru Impreza WRX 54.533 *0.798 = 43.517 0.055 0.623
7 ss 99 Denny Feigenspan Z06 52.013 *0.837 = 43.535 0.018 0.641
8 gs 73 Scott Bowman Mini Cooper S 55.716 *0.782 = 43.570 0.035 0.676
9 stx 43 Jonathan Jaynes Integra Type R 54.983 *0.798 = 43.876 0.306 0.982
10 stx 28 John Hale 03 Subaru Snowplow 55.041 *0.798 = 43.923 0.047 1.029
| jmott | 05-20-2003 02:52 PM |
[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by XT6Wagon [/i]
[B]my main problem with the WRX in tight courses is they usualy are the exact wrong size for the WRX's gearing. Too fast for 1st alone (35mph or so IIRC), but not fast enough to make 2nd at all usable. Plus mine atleast is a nightmare to drive in 1st as the throttle is impossible to be smooth with. Never really drove the car much stock so that might not be a stock WRX's problem. [/B][/QUOTE]
xt6, no offense but the way you are paxing, youve got a lot of driving to improve on, and as you do, youll be going faster through the corners and lag will be less of an issue.
just put it in 2nd and leave it there and learn to deal with it. If you take a corner correctly you don't need a lot of power to leave it.
[B]my main problem with the WRX in tight courses is they usualy are the exact wrong size for the WRX's gearing. Too fast for 1st alone (35mph or so IIRC), but not fast enough to make 2nd at all usable. Plus mine atleast is a nightmare to drive in 1st as the throttle is impossible to be smooth with. Never really drove the car much stock so that might not be a stock WRX's problem. [/B][/QUOTE]
xt6, no offense but the way you are paxing, youve got a lot of driving to improve on, and as you do, youll be going faster through the corners and lag will be less of an issue.
just put it in 2nd and leave it there and learn to deal with it. If you take a corner correctly you don't need a lot of power to leave it.
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